You can have more detail on the values if on their own page. After each value you can have and arrow showing what the value is doing. Going up or down or staying the same. When the last value was added. You can set up the page to show what money is used, Pounds, Euros, Dollars, etc.. Just a hit with the mouse, so you can easy to see what value your swapper partly value is with out thinking.
Απόσπασμα: "Cerulean"I like the new capabilities, but dislike the interface. It takes a lot more scrolling and clicking.
Is there a reason this didn't go into a beta test before implementation?
If we are going to do values, we have to go all in. If they are on their own page. When you hit the value you can see the last 10 inputs and there dates. That way you can see if some one made a "mistake" - by put 100 and not 1.00 dollars for a US Dime. And would be easier to fix by removing it. And seeing the last 10 would make it look better and more up to date.
Sorry old fart and brain slow. But if values are on their own page at the bottom you could show your collection value and your swap coins value. On that page. Then you have a place to add ones whole collection value and their swap coins value. And show by silver value.
I've been busy with other things so I haven't had any real opportunity to try out the improvements yet. I'll reserve any detailed judgements until then, by which time many of the early teething problems will have been hopefully addressed.
However, a few early observations......
I'm not too concerned about the initial negative reactions, we had a similar outcry when the swap engine was revamped a couple of years ago. So much so that a one click button was installed so that users could return to the old version. Is anyone still using that old version?
The most apparent problem I see is that the information doesn't port over to the swap engine. I have several active swaps stalled because the information I need to complete them (in the comments field) isn't there any more. It seems that I'm going to have to open a new tab for each individual coin and write the price / grade on a sheet of paper and then total it. I was expecting values, both mine and the Numista generated ones, to be neatly displayed on the swap page with neat totals at the foot of the column, rather like we have for the combined weight. Is this going to be added at some point? It was the single most useful feature for me and I'm disappointed to not see it.
With regard to values, I think this is where the real benefit will be. It's actually a stoke of genius by Dear Leader. I'm fairly certain that most people are going to use Krause when they enter a value. The price paid is pretty meaningless, I've found plenty of $100 coins for a dollar or less and I'm sure many of you have too, that doesn't turn it into a $1 coin. So what will happen? Because of the way the value is calculated, ignoring the highs and lows we will end up with something very, very close to the current K&M value for each coin. For Numista to simply import info. directly from K&M would open up a real can of legal whoop ass. However by inviting several thousand users to input a value for their coins you will get all the goodies from the NGC/Krause database without getting the pants sued off you. Either by accident or design, it's simply an act of pure genius.
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Hello,
For those who prefer the previous interface, you may go to your account settings and choose the second option for "Display of my collection".
The old version is available for the coin pages, display of your coins and fast input in search results. The rest will come soon.
Απόσπασμα: "Xavier"Hello,
For those who prefer the previous interface, you may go to your account settings and choose the second option for "Display of my collection".
The old version is available for the coin pages, display of your coins and fast input in search results. The rest will come soon.
Thank you so much Xavier, I can finally use Numista again. And it wasn't too soon, I almost lost all joy and interest in Numista, including being a referee and contributing to our catalogue. The new version is totally unacceptable for me, but now I can move on again.
I'm glad you could add the old layout back that quickly.
Unfortunately the issue I mentioned earlier today now seems to spread/copy over into the old layout.
The number of coins shows correctly in the general overview but if I go into the coins details the coins I have and the ones I put onto the swap list are being added up (instead of one coin which is for swap the system still seems to count one coin and another one for swap):
Απόσπασμα: "Xavier"Hello,
For those who prefer the previous interface, you may go to your account settings and choose the second option for "Display of my collection".
The old version is available for the coin pages, display of your coins and fast input in search results. The rest will come soon.
Hello, Xavier! Can you return old version in the swap-monitor too? It was so easy to add coins after swap. But now it's so difficult.
I prefer the previous features. The reason is, thousands of my private comments for the coins now disappear! I enter them for my own purposes of getting the coins (perhaps these went away because I do not mark the coins I haven't collected).
Further, now I have to move thousands of my own comments from public to private :)
If I would go back to the old version just to be able to easily add coins to my collection, would the values I've entered still be there when I switch back, or will it go back to a default setting?
Απόσπασμα: "ngdawa"If I would go back to the old version just to be able to easily add coins to my collection, would the values I've entered still be there when I switch back, or will it go back to a default setting?
Values and comments will be there. Just tried and it worked.
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Απόσπασμα: "ngdawa"If I would go back to the old version just to be able to easily add coins to my collection, would the values I've entered still be there when I switch back, or will it go back to a default setting?
Values and comments will be there. Just tried and it worked.
OK, cheers! I just didn't wanted to try just in case it all would disappear.
Απόσπασμα: "ngdawa"If I would go back to the old version just to be able to easily add coins to my collection, would the values I've entered still be there when I switch back, or will it go back to a default setting?
I still would be careful with that. If you don't touch your collection, comments and values will stay.
If you edit your collection with the old version, some comments and values may be affected:
If you have different comments for each coin of the given and you edit the comment with the old version, with only one comment per year/mint, the the comments for all your coins will be overwritten by that one.
If you had a value or a comment for a coin and you edit the quantity, they may be lost if you first delete the quantity before writing the new quantity. Removing the quantity will delete the coin with the comment and value. When you enter the new quantity, new coins are added to your collection, but without a value or comment.
Απόσπασμα: "ngdawa"If I would go back to the old version just to be able to easily add coins to my collection, would the values I've entered still be there when I switch back, or will it go back to a default setting?
I still would be careful with that. If you don't touch your collection, comments and values will stay.
If you edit your collection with the old version, some comments and values may be affected:
If you have different comments for each coin of the given and you edit the comment with the old version, with only one comment per year/mint, the the comments for all your coins will be overwritten by that one.
If you had a value or a comment for a coin and you edit the quantity, they may be lost if you first delete the quantity before writing the new quantity. Removing the quantity will delete the coin with the comment and value. When you enter the new quantity, new coins are added to your collection, but without a value or comment.
Cheers or your reply, mate!
What I meant was simply to add new coins to my collection, since the new version unfortunately is too inconvenient. I see in one way why the whole layout had to change, but I hope that this is just a middle stage and that later on the old version will return, but the value section stays.
Thanks!
Απόσπασμα: "Xavier"Hello,
For those who prefer the previous interface, you may go to your account settings and choose the second option for "Display of my collection".
The old version is available for the coin pages, display of your coins and fast input in search results. The rest will come soon.
Απόσπασμα: "mitino"I have now looked at coins of Japan.
Only the Japanese dates and hieroglyphs.
It is awful.
And similar inconveniences, I am sure, still will be much.
For what there was everything to break?
Was to add a window with the comment and a window with the coin buying price enough (if it is interesting to someone).
Oh oh oh, the more I found out, the worse it get. I just checked Japan too and it's just awful. Only regnal years anymore, no more Christian dates. The same for Arabic countries.
I see so many disadvantages in the new version and NONE advantage.
Disadvantages:
- Horrible interface. Don't tell me anyone really likes the new interface with the abundant icons and abundant extra lines?
- Much more difficult to add your coins: much more clicking, much more time needed, coins for your collection and your swap list must be added separately, ....
- Endless scrolling to the pages because of all those extra lines.
- No more Christian dates for countries using another script (Japan, Arabic countries, Thailand, ...)
And what are the supposedly advantages?
- Values? An average calculated value. For one part the value is too high, for the other part the value is too low.
- Personal comment. We already had a comment box.
These little advantages really aren't in proportion to the big disadvantages.
Exactly,
The values should be based on KM values, i'd say that would be more useful.
And the lines should've been extended horizontally not vertically.
Why I cannot see anymore mintage of my coins with the new system? I can only see the mintages clicking on the coin page, not on “my coins”. If relevant, I do use iOS 11.2.6 on iPhone.
Απόσπασμα: "Xavier"Hello,
For those who prefer the previous interface, you may go to your account settings and choose the second option for "Display of my collection".
The old version is available for the coin pages, display of your coins and fast input in search results. The rest will come soon.
Thank you, Xavier! I’ve just switched over to the proper Numista and breathed a huge sigh of relief. Thank you, also, for listening to us when we told you what we needed.
For future big changes, can we perhaps canvass the larger Numista community before rolling them out? This would have the advantage of you getting feedback before you committed time to major changes.
Απόσπασμα: "andrewdotcoza"For future big changes, can we perhaps canvass the larger Numista community before rolling them out? This would have the advantage of you getting feedback before you committed time to major changes.
There was a thread about this started in 2015. 94 people voted for. That's the highest number I've ever seen participating in a voting here on Numista.
Απόσπασμα: "andrewdotcoza"For future big changes, can we perhaps canvass the larger Numista community before rolling them out? This would have the advantage of you getting feedback before you committed time to major changes.
There was a thread about this started in 2015. 94 people voted for. That's the highest number I've ever seen participating in a voting here on Numista.
Well, clearly having a forum thread isn’t enough for this kind of thing. The UI changes have been widely rejected by the Numista community and serious questions hang over the values feature. Having 94 positive votes is all good and well but, looking at the top of this thread, I can’t see any way to vote against something. So none of that really reflects a proper canvassing of what people on Numista actually want.
Απόσπασμα: "andrewdotcoza"Having 94 positive votes is all good and well but, looking at the top of this thread, I can’t see any way to vote against something. So none of that really reflects a proper canvassing of what people on Numista actually want.
That is a very good point. There should also be a "I don't like this" choice when making a suggestion to improve Numista.
Also, people don't always respond in the forum, but when changes are made people say their opinions but then it's too late.
what kind of condition need for users on numista to writte value of coins , i think people may manipulate with prices to overvalue or down price for coin.
i take simple look on that.
coins who is natural to find on own place where they find before in circulation is cheap for people who live on that place.
for exampling, i buying lots of 5 dinara 1879 or 1904 25 grams silver for funny prices, and that price is real for someone who live in Usa for exampling?
i think is not good idea writing value (fake or true prices) of coins in description of coin.
i prefer to use old style.
I wonder how the new member will choose the interface for himself? Or will the new interface be the default for new members?
(I'm betting that the old interface attracted more new members).
New members should be defaulted to the simple interface and have the option to switch to the complicated one later if they wish.
I have started to update my coins using the new interface and think it will be good for the people who like to keep detailed records of their collections and swaps.
Cheers Mike
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Wow, as I begin to read this thread in the forum.... I realize I have missed much this last 10 days. Upon reading what the change was, I thought I have already been typing in the comments/variations area for all my duplicates. I had them kinda broken down "1VG, 1F, 2UNC Available" for my own knowledge, as well as others.
I often want to keep 3 of various coins, yet trade any after 3. (one for each son also) I really wasn't sure if I should/could type "Free / Army" or "Ebay $17.75 Shipping $2.75" next to my pfennigs or drachmas. I was waiting to hear someone say "don't put 1VG, 1F, 2UNC Available" next to your coins, its normally used for variations and defects only.
Did I see a private comment area mentioned? So I can put "Soaked in Lacquer Thinner" or "stolen from the museum in Paris"... lol
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I have shared Numista with my facebook friends. My older friends are quite shocked to see how easy it is to remove their coins from their 40 year storage box enter them. Even if they don't have a large collection, I seem to have put a bug in quite a few minds. they still want to get them out and look at dates, and mintage numbers. The same with the girls at my bank. I'm in a small town, so I know many people on the streets I pass. They ask about "That coin collection thing you posted on Facebook".
I can see coin value addition being nice for trading (I haven't yet, still entering coins), depending on the accurately. It's like a 3rd person giving his input/opinion, except that opinion is totally neutral and mute.
Well, time to catch up and read I guess. :)
Απόσπασμα: "Cyrillius"I lacked only two things: personal comments and cost. I thought this could be also simple and understandable, for example:
I like this version. Better than new Numista anyway.
That is very close to what I've been thinking. I've been saying that I'm hoping that this new version of Numista is just a middle stage to try out the value feature, and then later on the old and new version will merge together - old layout but with value.
Απόσπασμα: "Cyrillius"I lacked only two things: personal comments and cost. I thought this could be also simple and understandable, for example:
Such case assumes value for one grade only (and mixed comments i.e. comments for all coins into one single line), or you're suggesting adding other boxes at right for each grade?
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Απόσπασμα: "Cyrillius"I lacked only two things: personal comments and cost. I thought this could be also simple and understandable, for example:
Such case assumes value for one grade only (and mixed comments i.e. comments for all coins into one single line), or you're suggesting adding other boxes at right for each grade?
as it is now the value is per grade as well, so how is this diferent?
Απόσπασμα: "Sakrificed"Please let me use your picture to explain my ideas
This is my idea abot upgradable fast input
I like the idea of having values in Numista, but I agree with the opinion that the UI needs a bit of work. Sakrificed's idea is a good approach, I think, however, it still needs a bit of work as well.
There must be a way to input the value of multiple grades in the same coin, for instance if I have a VF one that cost 2 euros and an UNC one that cost 5 euros, I should be able to input both. Maybe a grade selection drop down menu just to the left of the currency might work.
Also, with that layout we cannot see the overall values. Maybe to the right of the value input box, there can be an icon (like an arrow or something like that) that, when you click on it, the overall values for the year and the grade can appear, and if you click on it again, they hide.
And finally, if I have 4 doubles of one given coin, how can I input that? Does the checkbox does automatically for me?
There a button to add one line.
In your case just add two lines, one for VF and one for UNC.
You can even separate VF+ and VF- by adding two lines, write the prices and comments for each line.
There are still have space to display price on PC screen, and they should be separated from the fast input.
In mobile version there could be a 'toggle' button freezed on the top of screen, to toggle between price and fast input.
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Ok, I have nearly 40K coins on the site, and I've tried to cope with the new format.
Here's my problem, all my coins are available for swap, but when I add coins, they aren't registering in the total number of my collection, only in the available for swap total.
In other words, on the "My Collection" page, my first box "Coins" total always matched my "Coins to swap" total ... now the "Coins to swap" total grows, but the "Coins" total number doesn't increase simultaneously .....
So, I guess I'm asking is this some bug in the new formatting system or am I doing something wrong?
Απόσπασμα: "Cyrillius"I lacked only two things: personal comments and cost. I thought this could be also simple and understandable, for example:
Such case assumes value for one grade only (and mixed comments i.e. comments for all coins into one single line), or you're suggesting adding other boxes at right for each grade?
as it is now the value is per grade as well, so how is this diferent?
Not sure I get your point.
- Old system: no values.
- New system: each single coin can have its own value AND each grade displays a "general" value (i.e. the calculation with "all members" values, auctions, etc.).
In the picture above, the value cell at right is fine if we only have 1 coin (whatever grade it is). Let's assume we have 3 coins (VG, VF and UNC), this single value cell doesn't work anymore. My question is related to this point: are you suggesting adding value cells for each grade?
i.e. instead of having values below with new system, having values at right.
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in my collection I only register ONE single coin for one given year / mint mark & variant = the best grade I have for that coin.
In my doubles I might register coins to exchange from grade vg to unc for the same year / mint mark and variant!
So in my simple opinion you have to separate COLLECTION from DOUBLES, no?
NOW people collecting by type have other needs since they don't care about the year, the mint mark and the possible variants. How are those differences foreseen in the new version?
This system forces me to actually grade all my coins if I wanted to add values. I just always put most my coin under F since I don't really know how to grade my coins. Because if my coin is really XF and I put the value under F that would mess everything up.
Απόσπασμα: "Eerovisser"This system forces me to actually grade all my coins if I wanted to add values. I just always put most my coin under F since I don't really know how to grade my coins. Because if my coin is really XF and I put the value under F that would mess everything up.
Απόσπασμα: "Eerovisser"This system forces me to actually grade all my coins if I wanted to add values. I just always put most my coin under F since I don't really know how to grade my coins. Because if my coin is really XF and I put the value under F that would mess everything up.
Me too, except I use VG by default.
Me too.
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Like some people in this topic, I like new data but old interface was better (easier and faster).
In the new swap-monitor, I cannot quickly recover coins in the swap-list if the exchange has been canceled. Can I restore the ability to use the old version of the swap-monitor?
Απόσπασμα: "SteveV"Ok, I have nearly 40K coins on the site, and I've tried to cope with the new format.
Here's my problem, all my coins are available for swap, but when I add coins, they aren't registering in the total number of my collection, only in the available for swap total.
In other words, on the "My Collection" page, my first box "Coins" total always matched my "Coins to swap" total ... now the "Coins to swap" total grows, but the "Coins" total number doesn't increase simultaneously .....
So, I guess I'm asking is this some bug in the new formatting system or am I doing something wrong?
Its not a bug ... If all your coins are available for swap and you list them that way they won't show as part of your "Collection".
To make them show in both "Collection" and "Swaps" you would need to list them twice. So if you had a 2015 British penny for instance, you would list it as a collected coin and as a swap coin.
In the old Numista that was the way I used to list my swaps, but now I have changed to showing a swap coin as only a "Swap" coin. It is not in my collection because I want to get rid of it.
My collection used to number 6400 or so but now it only numbers 5500. That's because I had around 900 coins from countries that I do not collect, listed as part of my "Collection" and also listed as "Swaps". Now they are only listed as swaps.
Hope this helps. - Mike
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Just to clarify the values for myself, I've registered reflecting I'm from South Africa. Is the values I see when logged into my profile in South African Rand (ZAR) or Dollar?
Hi Robert,
values are expressed given the currency you select on your profile page. If you selected ZAR, then values are expressed in ZAR.
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Απόσπασμα: "el182592"Xavier,
As I mentioned in another post.
Two things :
-1-Why no currency-sign before the values.
-2-Text between <...> will not be displayed.
there's not really a need for any currency signs, since you already have selected a currency you'll know what currency it is. and all currencies don't have a sign like €, £, ¥, ₩, ₸, ₽, ₪, or $.
Απόσπασμα: "el182592"Xavier,
As I mentioned in another post.
Two things :
-1-Why no currency-sign before the values.
-2-Text between <...> will not be displayed.
there's not really a need for any currency signs, since you already have selected a currency you'll know what currency it is. and all currencies don't have a sign like €, £, ¥, ₩, ₸, ₽, ₪, or $.
Only answer on point:1!!
Reaction : There is a need for that currency. Looking at those digits withoutn a currency we don't know where those digits are used for AND with a currency we could know.
Point: 2 :
Reaction : when could this being repaired??
Απόσπασμα: "el182592"Xavier,
As I mentioned in another post.
Two things :
-1-Why no currency-sign before the values.
-2-Text between <...> will not be displayed.
there's not really a need for any currency signs, since you already have selected a currency you'll know what currency it is. and all currencies don't have a sign like €, £, ¥, ₩, ₸, ₽, ₪, or $.
Only answer on point:1!!
Reaction : There is a need for that currency. Looking at those digits withoutn a currency we don't know where those digits are used for AND with a currency we could know.
Point: 2 :
Reaction : when could this being repaired??
it won't be repaired cuz there's nothing to repair. it is all in the same currency - tve currency you have chosen. check your settings if you don't know.
hi
i have just realised that there is a buying price option
however i have a problem, what to put in the box
i have 50 pennies, do i put in the value as .01 (for each) or .5 (as a whole) ?????
Απόσπασμα: "ayaz2001"hi
i have just realised that there is a buying price option
however i have a problem, what to put in the box
i have 50 pennies, do i put in the value as .01 (for each) or .5 (as a whole) ?????
you would just do the value as .01 not .50 that would in turn mean its .50 each
Απόσπασμα: "ayaz2001"i have 50 pennies, do i put in the value as .01 (for each) or .5 (as a whole) ?????
you would just do the value as .01 not .50 that would in turn mean its .50 each
Matt
Correct, "Buying price" refers to the value of 1 coin.
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Απόσπασμα: "trvrhldr"I need an advice, some of my coins I get from swaps, so I use the average value of shipping as the value of each coin.
For example, I sent 10 coins and it cost to me $10 bucks, so each coin I received in that swap get $1 as value.
It's alright ?
Nope, coin value is not the shipping value. It refers to the price paid for the coin itself.
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I guess the same thing that was happening with some NGC values for lower grades being higher than the values for higher grades is happening with some Numista values:
Let's say that I only swap coins and I follow my collection in excel by exporting my coins list. How is it possible for me to get the value of my coins if I'm not allowed to add any prices (because I don't buy coins)? Would it be possible to have more columns exported, at least the values?
I do buy coins but I also would like to know the total value of my coins. I'm sure I'm not the only person to use excel as a main collection management software.
Απόσπασμα: "Jasanche"Good Evening,
I guess the same thing that was happening with some NGC values for lower grades being higher than the values for higher grades is happening with some Numista values:
This is for the 1960's US half dollar (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces10865.html)
Indeed, we already agreed on some limits for that. This is just not implemented yet.
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Απόσπασμα: "Ollisaarinen"Let's say that I only swap coins and I follow my collection in excel by exporting my coins list. How is it possible for me to get the value of my coins if I'm not allowed to add any prices (because I don't buy coins)? Would it be possible to have more columns exported, at least the values?
I do buy coins but I also would like to know the total value of my coins. I'm sure I'm not the only person to use excel as a main collection management software.
Unfortunately, values are not intended for export tool for the moment (maybe in the future).
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Απόσπασμα: "trvrhldr"I need an advice, some of my coins I get from swaps, so I use the average value of shipping as the value of each coin.
For example, I sent 10 coins and it cost to me $10 bucks, so each coin I received in that swap get $1 as value.
It's alright ?
I don't think your line is correct, I would add shipping cost and the value of the coins I sent (you don't send empty envelopes, right?), cause when you got the coins you sent, they costed you something; either you bought them, or you received them in a swap, where you sent coins and paid for shipping.
Anyways, I would put this value as private comment, not as buying cost, cause it is your real cost, but not the market value.
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Απόσπασμα: "trvrhldr"I need an advice, some of my coins I get from swaps, so I use the average value of shipping as the value of each coin.
Value is the one of the coin itself, meaning it does NOT include shipping or packaging costs.
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Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
Απόσπασμα: "trvrhldr"I need an advice, some of my coins I get from swaps, so I use the average value of shipping as the value of each coin.
Value is the one of the coin itself, meaning it does NOT include shipping or packaging costs.
Exactly! You buy a coin for $3.50 and the s/h is $5.00, then you put $3.50 in the box. The shipping cost varies from country to country, and has nothing to do with the coin's value itself.
Edit: This is probably the reason why some VF coins has higher value than UNC coins. People add the shipping cost. I thought this was a simply matter, add coin value, and had no idea it could be so confusing to know what the coin's value is, and what the fee for shipping could be seen as the same thing. Than maybe I should change value if all my US coins I've gotten in change, cuz I bought them for $0 (since I got them in change), but with the same logic as adding the shipping fee, I should then add the plane ticket and hotel cost.
Απόσπασμα: "trvrhldr"I need an advice, some of my coins I get from swaps, so I use the average value of shipping as the value of each coin.
Value is the one of the coin itself, meaning it does NOT include shipping or packaging costs.
Humm, I am theoretically not totally sure about this: the monetary value is what you accept to pay for something, or "willingness to pay". When you buy in a shop, simple. When there are additional costs, you have to include them or you are a poor accountant and you go bankrupt.
Should I understand that auction house fees should not be included just because they are variable ? When I bid on ebay, I know I'll have to pay a few % more, in an auction house, it may be up to 30 %. I'd better consider that no ?
As an additional comment, I would add that there are more reasons for incoherences, for ex. the fact that some coins are muche cheaper in some countries that in others (market stuff) and that you have to grade the coins yourself and that in xxtricky ! Those weigh certainly more than a problem of shipping cost.
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Απόσπασμα: "pejounet"Value is the one of the coin itself, meaning it does NOT include shipping or packaging costs.
Humm, I am theoretically not totally sure about this: the monetary value is what you accept to pay for something, or "willingness to pay". When you buy in a shop, simple. When there are additional costs, you have to include them or you are a poor accountant and you go bankrupt.
Should I understand that auction house fees should not be included just because they are variable ? When I bid on ebay, I know I'll have to pay a few % more, in an auction house, it may be up to 30 %. I'd better consider that no ?
Shipping/packaging/insurance/auction fees are not part of the item's value but part of the transaction costs, value of the coin is the one of the coin itself i.e. the "intrinsic" value. Two different things, be it for market valuation or accounting purpose. The value system here is intended to capture the intrinsic value of the coin, no matter the choice of shipping, packaging, place of auctions, etc.
2 basic case to illustrate my point with let's say a Morgan Dollar that you and would each pay $10:
You might want to use registered shipping with good packaging while I might rather go for basic letter without packaging: same coin, same intrinsic value of $10, different shipping costs not related to the coin but to your sole choice.
I choose to buy at auction, you buy on ebay: same coin, same intrinsic value (still at $10), different fees due to transaction costs but not to the value of the coin.
Transaction costs are just what you are willing to pay to go on with the transaction and get the coin at the intrinsic value you deem worth it.
Απόσπασμα: "Ecapoe"As an additional comment, I would add that there are more reasons for incoherences, for ex. the fact that some coins are muche cheaper in some countries that in others (market stuff) and that you have to grade the coins yourself and that in xxtricky ! Those weigh certainly more than a problem of shipping cost.
Indeed, different values in different countries but this is not a new problem due to Numista value system. The same goes for any catalogue/auction/etc.; NGC price guide, Krause prices, etc. those are "global prices" not taking into account the location you're in.
Unfortunately the value system cannot address this. Only way to bypass this would be to have several values for the same coin (let's say per continent, or region) but this system would be impossible to manage.
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I won't argue because I'm not economist and I can do with Numista's decision , but I am not sure you are right . There is no such thing as the "intrinsic value" of a centuries old worn copper coin (maybe a few 10th of cents of metal ?).
And all fine with the last point. It was just mentionned because I think it creates even more discrepancies than the postal fees thing.
Hope we get many evaluations based on many different sales to get stronger values. I still like the feature.
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Απόσπασμα: "Ecapoe"There is no such thing as the "intrinsic value" of a centuries old worn copper coin (maybe a few 10th of cents of metal ?).
In our case (collectible coinage), intrinsic value is not to be understood as the pure metal value (indeed some copper coins might worth several times a classic gold coin) but rather as value based on a combination of grade/rarity/variety/significance. Components directly related to the coinage and not transaction costs.
ΑπόσπασμαHope we get many evaluations based on many different sales to get stronger values.
That's the plan.
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, but I am not sure you are right 
. There is no such thing as the "intrinsic value" of a centuries old worn copper coin (maybe a few 10th of cents of metal ?).