2 chinese cash [επιλυμένο]

Hello, everyone!

when the matter is chinese, I have a hard time!
first one, 30mm and 7,1g


the second, 26mm and 3,5g


Any help is welcome, thanks!

Hello,

First : Sheng song yuan bao (Northern song dynasty, seal script). Hartill 16.369 ?

Second : Bu quan, very well preserved and very nice! Hartill 9.72 (blob above hole)


If I'm wrong someone correct me please.

For the first coin, the closest available in Numista:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces27435.html

Second coin is from a few centuries further back, well outside my knowledge zone of Chinese coins... the further back they go the murkier things get for me. Be careful of fakes.

Thank You!

Απόσπασμα: "CassTaylor"​Second coin is from a few centuries further back, well outside my knowledge zone of Chinese coins... the further back they go the murkier things get for me. Be careful of fakes.

​I agree.
Looks to good to be that old...

Perhaps you can search here for a real one:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6cidiqnu6hpsu4/Catalogue_Chinese_Coins_7thcBC-621AD.pdf?dl=0

2nd one looks genuine to me but I can be wrong, I'm only a beginner in chinese coins.

please ask Kenny:
https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=3039

See some contemporary "Wang Mang". I'm pretty sure they are chinese

Απόσπασμα: "Frenchlover"​See some contemporary "Wang Mang". I'm pretty sure they are chinese

​Looking at the values, they surely are replica's
The real ones are much more valuable

Old does not mean expensive... Common type of Huo quan can be found for 1$ or 2$, or even less in wholesale. They are plenty more genuine ones than fake ones; Knife coins are less common and often faked. Bu quan are not so common but are not that rare. David Hartill puts for this one Bu quan a rarity index of 13, which means an approximate market value of 10$. You know how it is about catalog values... but it gives you already a feeling, that it will not be for hundreds.

For instance from a reliable ebay dealer
huo quan
https://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Small-Thin-Huo-Quan-Coins-With-Green-Patina-9-AD-20-AD/372330673153?hash=item56b0a33401:g:WpkAAOSwfshbHM7I

bu quan
https://www.ebay.com/itm/A-Bu-Quan-Coin-19-AD-Wang-Mang/282922040997?hash=item41df77bea5:g:u2IAAOSwWyRaz2G2

Απόσπασμα: "Frenchlover"​See some contemporary "Wang Mang". I'm pretty sure they are chinese

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I really like the way this seller describes his spade money.... I guess they do look a bit like pants.