Error coins - UK Coins

I am a little confused ..... so I Know the mist will be cleared.

The writing on the side of the two pound coins is it always matched with the queens head (obverse) upwards and if upside down is is this a legitimate mint error .

Description of Kitchener 2 pound coin errors seems to support this view but I have a 2002 NI coin with same upside down script so is this an error too?

Puzzled.

It could be an error or it could be a fake. Do you have a picture?

Does on the side mean either obverse or reverse; as if it is
meant the lettering on the edge then it is random ...
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic29767.html#p427904
and there is a Royal Mint link in that reply which explains further.
Also the lettering is not aligned to the portrait either. All random.

Hi Zak,

I thought it might be you that replied. I visited the Royal Mint (disappointing) recently and saw the blanks so the random makes absolutely sense. That said then , there is a lot of mis advice out there because the eBay site itself is describing the Kitchener coin with writing (on the edge ) that does match obverse is a genuine error.

Thanks as always.

charles

I had never heard of the Kitchener error, but now looked on a few eBay listings and
the sellers are all wrong. The orientation of edge lettering is random. Also not just
limited to Kitchener coins; on any circulation coin from anywhere it is all random.
1 - The mint buys in blanks
2 - it adds the rim
3 - then edge lettering
4 - then presses obverse and reverse.
Here is a bimetal coin I have from Georgia that missed the last stage ...
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic34204.html#p293228
or these two different UK blank £2 coins that I have ...
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic20207.html#p158226

Examples: here are five piles of UK commemorative £2 coins that I have ...
2006 Brunel https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6849.html 5 = 3A + 2B
2006 Station https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8659.html 7 = 3A + 4B
2009 Darwin https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces16206.html 5 = 3A + 2B
2009 Burns https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces16526.html 4 = 4A + 0B
2010 Nightingale https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces16549.html 3 = 1A + 2B

and I took a close-up of first two piles. So the Brunel coin I have 3 with edge lettering
facing up (A) when portrait is on top, and 2 with it upside-down (B). So of the 24 coins there
are 14A and 10B which surely proves how random it all is.

Thanks, Zak for a very very comprehensive reply.

I should have worked out myself really because I saw the machine for printing on the edge and some sample blanks and a little movie tipping them from a hopper - so obviously it could be either way round.

So so obviously don't believe everything you read especially on eBay sellers....

Incidentally, we pressed a new 12 sided 1pound .. which my wife sold today on eBay for 34 pounds.I kept mine in its little packet. I wonder if it might be worth more later on..

Anyway it made her happy - and made the Royal Mint trip less boring for her. Ha

You can find this random edge lettering as far back as pre-decimal coins as well, anyone who tries to pass it off as an error is either misinformed or trying to pass off a normal coin as an error, it is normal for the edge lettering to come out random. eBay is flooded with "error" coins which are not errors 99% of the time, just like this.

The main Kitchener error I know of is the double strike causing the lettering to become blurred on the reverse.

You can tell from the ridiculous prices on eBay coins that the sellers don't know much about the coins they are selling, but being factually incorrect I worrying. Don't you think eBay should intervene in instances like this and inform sellers on inaccuracies.

perhaps I'm just delusional

Απόσπασμα: "iknw07554"​You can tell from the ridiculous prices on eBay coins that the sellers don't know much about the coins they are selling, but being factually incorrect I worrying. Don't you think eBay should intervene in instances like this and inform sellers on inaccuracies.
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​perhaps I'm just delusional

​When I see such advert on eBay and when I have some spare time, I either write a public comment asking the seller along the lines of "could you explain what is so special about this coin since usually its worth {x}?" or report directly to eBay. From my experience, the first method seems to be much more efficient!

You make a good point , I feel sorry for a buyer who pays way over the top prices for duds. Also hate the sellers who put ridiculous prices on hoping to catch a sucker willing to pay.

From my point of view, I don't feel sorry for a buyer who hasn't done their homework and overpayed. But same to you, I feel annoyed by such sellers fishing for fools. I wouldn't mind if they did it privately elsewhere and didn't flood the pages with these 'scam' listings

I couldn't agree more - if you took them off you could on rely that those remain would be genuine sellers.