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Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 23 Μαρ 2016, 23:40 #

Work moved, see current CCIP thread.

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muygrandeoso

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Αναρτήθηκε: 23 Μαρ 2016, 23:46 #

Hi Jarcek,

I am willing to help.
I have no particular knowledge about tokens, but if you have basic jobs that need doing, just PM me.

Chris

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Emiliano01

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 00:03 #

I'm willing to help, Plus I'm on holidays for 2 weeks, but I don't have any knowledge of tokens, or how to help you at all, so, what can I do for you?

Emiliano

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 00:10 #

Thanks both of you! I updated the first message with first two jobs.

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muygrandeoso

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 00:14 #

I have started on the Tokenizing task

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Hamletmaschine

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 17:42 #

Posting this just to follow the thread. But I have also thought about a standard for token names, something like this:

Denomination (if applicable) - issuer (type of token)

Or any other variety. Any thoughts?

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 17:53 #

So far I was aiming somehow lower and standardized names only within categories.

For example: Telephone token - City - Additional info (if applicable)
and it looks good I hope and think. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/tokens-107.html#devise2663
But making this is painful job, that is why I started this thread.

Your work on bullion standard is awesome by the way.

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Hamletmaschine

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 18:14 #

Good point - maybe it's futile to think that all tokens can be squeezed into the same frame. After all, a bullion round, a telephone token and a plastic play money Euro don't have very much in common.

Thanks for the recognition, I'm amazed at all the good work you put into the catalogue as well. You seem to verify my requests before I even make them sometimes.

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 18:15 #

Thanks, I had a little free time last few days, in the next few days on the other hand, I will be rather busy.

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muygrandeoso

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 18:26 #

I have finished the Tokenizing task. I will start work on the EURO/Euro issue soon.

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Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 18:29 #

You are awesome, you did modified more than 400 pages in two days!

You do not have to be so quick.

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neilithic

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 20:43 #

This just seems like cosmetic work I would prefer that we sort out how to deal with the tokens once and for all and have a major overhaul of the category

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 21:28 #

We have a saying in Czech republic - Thousand times nothing beaten the donkey.

I take this as a starting point.

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muygrandeoso

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Αναρτήθηκε: 24 Μαρ 2016, 21:29 #

Απόσπασμα: "neilithic"This just seems like cosmetic work I would prefer that we sort out how to deal with the tokens once and for all and have a major overhaul of the category

I do not disagree with your comment that this is cosmetic work, but I appreciate the opportunity to contribute to the catalog. I know that this work is not as important as the work of many who have been working hard behind the scenes, but getting volunteers to do the grunt work makes sense to me.

JMHO

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muygrandeoso

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Αναρτήθηκε: 25 Μαρ 2016, 08:04 #

Euro token section done. Thanks to whomever else worked on this.
I will look at the Spanish token section to see if I can manage this one.

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ZacUK Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 25 Μαρ 2016, 13:41 #

Απόσπασμα: "muygrandeoso"Thanks to whomever else worked on this.

Thanks - that was me last night

And while there changed some capital names to lower case too.

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 25 Μαρ 2016, 14:24 #

I noticed some of them did not showed up as requests to validate

thanks for your help! Will post few more things that needs to be done.

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Carlos55

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Αναρτήθηκε: 25 Μαρ 2016, 16:16 #

Let me see what I can do to help. I have seen several variations of American eagle/ no cash value tokens. Is there a standard, or can we create a standard (American eagle type 1, 1.1, 2, 2.1, etc) or something like that? That should help putting some of these in the right slot.

Trade only within the US.

muygrandeoso

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Αναρτήθηκε: 25 Μαρ 2016, 16:22 #

Απόσπασμα: "ZacUK"

Απόσπασμα: "muygrandeoso"Thanks to whomever else worked on this.

Thanks - that was me last night
And while there changed some capital names to lower case too.

Thanks Zac, I thought I was going crazy for awhile, then I realized someone else must be plugging away at the job.

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jadejackal

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Αναρτήθηκε: 25 Μαρ 2016, 16:46 #

Απόσπασμα: "Carlos55"Let me see what I can do to help. I have seen several variations of American eagle/ no cash value tokens. Is there a standard, or can we create a standard (American eagle type 1, 1.1, 2, 2.1, etc) or something like that? That should help putting some of these in the right slot.

I have been working on my own token clean up project for a while but have only got about 100 or so done as I am slower. Most of what I have been adding/cleaning up is Merchant tokens. I have a "standard" or method I have been using which you can view here: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces76226.html

For title I have been doing: City, State - Merchant name - Token value

If it is for a larger area or for a chain of stores then the city, state gets modified. I settled on this because those are the things that are displayed in the list, and are also the identifying features most tokens have. For Maverick tokens I have been doing: Unknown, United States when it is a U.S. token.

Not saying it has to be that way, just what I have been doing and it follows the convention that most U.S. token catalogs follow. I am willing to do what ever as long as we are consistent.

muygrandeoso

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Αναρτήθηκε: 25 Μαρ 2016, 18:06 #

Spanish Decap project done.

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derf

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Αναρτήθηκε: 26 Μαρ 2016, 04:19 #

Απόσπασμα: "Jarcek"Since I became a member of the team, I started with some cleaning up in the token section.

Does this mean that I can go into the tokens and move all of the Notgeld back to where it belongs ... ???

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Emiliano01

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Αναρτήθηκε: 26 Μαρ 2016, 05:04 #

Well i tried to help but i have no idea how to do that, just like modyfing a normal coin?

PajaSkot

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Αναρτήθηκε: 26 Μαρ 2016, 06:38 #

When it comes to euro tokens I edited around 100 photos in last week. Thank you Jarcek and everyone else who is helping here. Euro Fantasy Issues already look way better even though it is maybe only 20% done.

Jarcek Numista team

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To PajaSkot - Many Thanks for everythifng you done so far.

To Emiliano - Yes, modifying tokens is same as with coins.

To derf - That is something up to a broader discussion. I would personally wanted to see them all in the separate country, but I do not want to do such big changes without discussions first.

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derf

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Αναρτήθηκε: 26 Μαρ 2016, 10:10 #

Απόσπασμα: "Jarcek"To PajaSkot - Many Thanks for everythifng you done so far.

To Emiliano - Yes, modifying tokens is same as with coins.

To derf - That is something up to a broader discussion. I would personally wanted to see them all in the separate country, but I do not want to do such big changes without discussions first.

I would also like to have a separate country listing for Notgeld.

AND >>> Really, what's the necessity of a discussion. Make a country listing for German Notgeld OR Move all of the French Cities to tokens .. Very Simple...!!!

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Do not argue with ignorant people .. !! They will drag you down to their level, then pulverize you with experience ...

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 26 Μαρ 2016, 20:50 #

Yes, it would be simple. But doing it right away without any discussion could make more ill than good. I know it is a problem needs solving. But I cannot do it myself without appropriate discussion, site have seen enough such decisions already, and I am not going to start with it.

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imreh

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Αναρτήθηκε: 26 Μαρ 2016, 22:31 #

Απόσπασμα: "derf"

Απόσπασμα: "Jarcek"To PajaSkot - Many Thanks for everythifng you done so far.

To Emiliano - Yes, modifying tokens is same as with coins.

To derf - That is something up to a broader discussion. I would personally wanted to see them all in the separate country, but I do not want to do such big changes without discussions first.
I would also like to have a separate country listing for Notgeld.

AND >>> Really, what's the necessity of a discussion. Make a country listing for German Notgeld OR Move all of the French Cities to tokens .. Very Simple...!!!

1) I totally support: "Germany - Notgeld" as a separate country. It is more than deserving it!

2) Jarcek, your criminal colleague, Florino has deleted a long list of tokens, including medieval medallions of high numismatic value.
Do you commit to preserve the work of all those who have been adding them, or do you follow suit of barbaric ignorance of other people's work and plan to delete some of the tokens?
- Since Numista has lost quite a few serious members due to the actions of this irresponsible maniac, trust has been lost also in the token section. - if you plan restore that trust, I am game to support.

derf

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Απόσπασμα: "imreh"

Απόσπασμα: "derf"

Απόσπασμα: "Jarcek"To PajaSkot - Many Thanks for everythifng you done so far.

To Emiliano - Yes, modifying tokens is same as with coins.

To derf - That is something up to a broader discussion. I would personally wanted to see them all in the separate country, but I do not want to do such big changes without discussions first.
I would also like to have a separate country listing for Notgeld.

AND >>> Really, what's the necessity of a discussion. Make a country listing for German Notgeld OR Move all of the French Cities to tokens .. Very Simple...!!!
1) I totally support: "Germany - Notgeld" as a separate country. It is more than deserving it!

2) Jarcek, your criminal colleague, Florino has deleted a long list of tokens, including medieval medallions of high numismatic value.
Do you commit to preserve the work of all those who have been adding them, or do you follow suit of barbaric ignorance of other people's work and plan to delete some of the tokens?
- Since Numista has lost quite a few serious members due to the actions of this irresponsible maniac, trust has been lost also in the token section. - if you plan restore that trust, I am game to support.

I WILL SECOND BOTH MOTIONS .. !!!!!!!! AND >>> If you will make the country listing, I will make the change requests to move them ...

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Do not argue with ignorant people .. !! They will drag you down to their level, then pulverize you with experience ...

PajaSkot

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Αναρτήθηκε: 27 Μαρ 2016, 07:33 #

Notgeld should definetly have its own category (I don't mind if it is a country but I see why would that be questionable)

also, I am well aware that euro fantasy issues are not very attractive to most of the coin collectors and only few of us collect them, but there are probably over 1000 of them (not in our Numista catalogue yet). They are big enough to have its own thing

yes, euro fantasy issues are tokens but they have nothing in common with chuky cheese, car wash, telephon... Not even with other fantasy issues. For me as an actual collector of those, it makes sence to have a separate category for them. It would make my life easier.

if we really hope to organize the token section, we have to create many sub categories so that we have different places to put different tokens. For the beginning I would like to see a category/country of euro fantasy issues

do you think that there is a possibility for that?

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 28 Μαρ 2016, 23:45 #

Back in the game after the Easter!

First of all, you guys are try to move overly fast. Tokens needs serious overhaul - everybody knows that, but just talking about new sections here there wont fix it. That is why I am trying to build momentum to rework them from the most basic unit - the coin sheet. Do not regard this as backing away from something, I just want to start from somewhere, and start walking by small steps. I want to hear any ideas for tokens.

Please mind we are still strugling to control evergrowing request list - now standing somewhere around 550 requests, not counting those made for referees.

To Imreh: Tokens are regarded as garbage bin, I want to change that. I do not think for example that military medals are something that should be here, but I am not going to delete anything for now. That is a matter of wide discussion.
I also think this really does not belong here: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces78952.html

But for now, I just want to sort it, so it would not look like a garbage.

Regards,
Jarek

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derf

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Αναρτήθηκε: 29 Μαρ 2016, 11:09 #

Απόσπασμα: "Jarcek"I also think this really does not belong here: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces78952.html

First it would be best to get the tokens in the correct country. Then individual editing ...

And that token you referenced has just as much right to be in the token section and any of the others ...  !!!

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Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 31 Μαρ 2016, 20:15 #

Anyone willing to help us a little?

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imreh

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Αναρτήθηκε: 31 Μαρ 2016, 22:22 #

Jarcek, this is not going to be easy.

As said before, people lost trust in the team, and their goodwill regarding tokens. I am happy to put energy and work in re-organizing historic medals and medallions related to my expertise era, which would be the Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy.
Am I enthusiastic and eager?
NO.
because although - respect to you: you have stated that you would do no harm to "tokens" - we still have the criminal raging around.
We still have no statement from Xavier, and still - as you have said: the tokens section is considered as garbage.

As long as this remains true on an admin level, do not get surprised if noone offers help in vain for something which could be deleted, erased, burned by the will of a maniac over a night.

So, all in all, it seems like a hopeless mission of yours without the desired clear vision from Xavier.
Now, that is a very hard thing to get!

But anyways, I personally appreciate your enthusiasm.
Ahoj, Imre

Handzumgrus

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Αναρτήθηκε: 31 Μαρ 2016, 23:17 #

Hi,

i can only add a few drops of help in tokens section.

I made a few change-requests (most of them are validated, thanks

) and added a few tokens/medals.
There will come more, but real live and work take their time too.

Is anybody of our members familiar with the Monaye de Paris tourist tokens?
I read about a large platform about this beautyful rounds long time ago in a forum about elongated coins. But i don't know it exactly.
If somebody knows this platform, it could help to bring more structure in this part of the tokens section.

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 31 Μαρ 2016, 23:25 #

French tokens are giving me the toughest times always... Not being able to understand French does not really help too...

To Imre: Thanks for kind words

. I thought about what you have said, and you are right. I asked Xavier for his stance/vision on tokens, and am awaiting his response. Trust have been lost, and that must be earned again.

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zegeri Κριτής καταλόγου

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Ahoj, Jarku

How can I help with the token-task?

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Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 31 Μαρ 2016, 23:45 #

Απόσπασμα: "zegeri"How can I help with the token-task?

Hi,

Thanks for your help!
Tasks are written in the first post. But since you know Spanish (naturally

) it would be nice, if you could look through Spanish tokens (and/or any other state where Spanish is used) and translate generic names. Generic words like "medal/token/Ficha de Café" and so on.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces36075.html This is exaple of rightly named token - generic words are in English - Metro token, and name is in Spanish - Subterraneos de Buenos Aires

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Dato Mikeladze

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Απόσπασμα: "Jarcek"

Απόσπασμα: "zegeri"How can I help with the token-task?
Hi,

Thanks for your help!
Tasks are written in the first post. But since you know Spanish (naturally ) it would be nice, if you could look through Spanish tokens (and/or any other state where Spanish is used) and translate generic names. Generic words like "medal/token/Ficha de Café" and so on.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces36075.html This is exaple of rightly named token - generic words are in English - Metro token, and name is in Spanish - Subterraneos de Buenos Aires

So, not subway, but only METRO in all cases?

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 13 Απρ 2016, 22:10 #

I believe Metro token is right. Although subway could be used too. Point is, that it should be uniform in one country. So we would not have things like:

Metro token - Khrakhiv
Kiev - metro jeton
Jeton - Kharkov
METRO JETON KIEV

but rather:

Metro token - Kiev
Metro token - Kharkhiv
Metro token - Kiev - (additional info)

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druzhynets

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Απόσπασμα: "Jarcek"I believe Metro token is right. Although subway could be used too. Point is, that it should be uniform in one country. So we would not have things like:

Metro token - Khrakhiv
Kiev - metro jeton
Jeton - Kharkov
METRO JETON KIEV

but rather:

Metro token - Kiev
Metro token - Kharkhiv
Metro token - Kiev - (additional info)

Kharkiv and Kyiv :)

I can help with some work

ROMA AETERNA

Jarcek Numista team

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Sorry, I am not good in names

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AmerSalmeh

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Αναρτήθηκε: 18 Απρ 2016, 13:24 #

Hi
I've been following the discussions, and I agree with the organize-but-don't-delete solution. Finally a movement started, thanks a lot!
And I'm willing to help.
I speak Arabic too, so let me know if I can help you with this.
I'm going to start with my tokens then look for anything simple I can do, then will ask for more tasks.

few questions though:
- for these 2 tokens that I own, they both have the same name, anything we should add to differentiate them? type 1 and type 2 lets say? Also, is this the correct way of naming? to start with " Amusement token -"?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=country%3A%22*+Tokens+*%22+Amusement+token+-+Fun+City&c=&co=y&cno=y&cc=y&cn=y&cj=y&ce=y&cu=y&cat=y&mode=simplifie&p=1&e=&d=&ca=3&no=&i=&v=&m=&a=&t=&dg=&w=&g=&f=

- Also for the photos, I usually use my mobile phone rather than scanning. Are there any scanning techniques I should follow? I have lots of tokens I need to add (more trouble I know haha)

Thanks and keep it up everyone!

Catalog Master Referee & Referee for UAE
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Amer Salmeh

Jarcek Numista team

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Αναρτήθηκε: 18 Απρ 2016, 13:49 #

Hi, thanks for your offer!

To answer all your questions:

Naming starting with "Amusement token" is just fine.
Need for differentiation between them is sometimes needed, sometimes photos just show the difference easily - so there is no clear rule about this.
For photos - I use camera, so I do not know about scanning - make a thread and ask - I am sure there will be a lot of people who can help you.
ARABIC! Where have you been all that time! Well, I could have just thrown entire pile of work that needs to be done, but it is of course all up to you. (Any help with any Arabic token or coins - translations and a lot of missing lettering everywhere) Do whatever you like, such help will be always appreciated - and you get good feeling that you have done something for the community. That is however, only reward from a start. Then of course, you can get to know some people, find swap partners and after time, you may find some friends here. But that is what a community is actually about. I hope you will enjoy your time modifying if you decide to do that.