Hi Guys and Gals,
First time poster here.
Quick question on the Latvian 5 Lati coins from 1929, 1931 and 1932.
Does the edge lettering "DIEVS ✶✶✶ SVĒTĪ ✶✶✶ LATVIJU ✶✶✶" ever appear upside down in relation to the obverse and reverse?
i.e: when looking down on the coat of arms the edge lettering is the right way up or can it be upside down?
Hope I've explained this right.
Regards.
Welcome to the forum.
It is random; the edges are put on first, then go into a container from
which they are taken out randomly to have obverse and reverse added.
I have two on my desc right now and they have different orientaions.
Like Zac already said it's random unless it's a coin with very low mintage or any other special coin that is put in the minting press by hand there is no time for checking the possition of the planchet. So the chances are about 50:50 for either position.
Something similar happens with US presidential dollars and they're classified differently depending on the orientation. Are these Latvian coins catalogued but orientation as well?
Thank you for all the replies!
Like Carlos55 said the catalog doesnt say anything about orientation where as im sure ive seen edge orientation mentioned for other coins. The place i got this coin from had several and when i stacked them in my hand all had same orientation but one, all were from the 3 years, so that sparked the interest.
Απόσπασμα: "Carlos55"I just checked on the catalog and they're not classified as position 1 and 2. As the US dollars are. Does anyone know why?
I know. Because its latvian coin of 1929. and these are U.S presidential Dollars. Latvian 1929 coins weren`t issued for colelctors interest, - they were just circulation coins.
Presidential dollars goes for $ 1,5 at least. So, why not to catalogued them by orientation as well? :) what a problem to issue an album with "bags" with lettering " orientation A" and orientation " B" ? its a bussiness !
:)
Krause has a policy to treat the listings of a nation as that nation does. I dont think anyone in the US gives a fig about orientation of edge lettering. Whereas Belgium seems to love it and you could find position a and b for most of their older issues at one time. I remember years ago when Malaysia had ab types for their ringgits in the catalog.
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Απόσπασμα: "Cerulean"Because edge letter orientation is a pointless variety that we should all ignore.
Edge letter orientation is a variety like every other variety. Be open minded and let everyone decide for themselves if they want to ignore/collect it or not.
Of course, in Belgium edge letter orientation is spoon-fed. In every official Belgian catalog the edge letter orientation is mentioned for every coin with edge lettering, except when the ratio is 100:0 (the edge letter orientation here is not always random, it can be 50:50, 60:40, 70:30 (f.i. 5 franc 1873),98:2 (f.i. 5 franc 1868) or 100:0).
Απόσπασμα: "Cerulean"Because edge letter orientation is a pointless variety that we should all ignore.
Of course, in Belgium edge letter orientation is spoon-fed. In every official Belgian catalog the edge letter orientation is mentioned for every coin with edge lettering, except when the ratio is 100:0 (the edge letter orientation here is not always random, it can be 50:50, 60:40, 70:30 (f.i. 5 franc 1873),98:2 (f.i. 5 franc 1868) or 100:0).
Απόσπασμα: "Cerulean"Because edge letter orientation is a pointless variety that we should all ignore.
Of course, in Belgium edge letter orientation is spoon-fed. In every official Belgian catalog the edge letter orientation is mentioned for every coin with edge lettering, except when the ratio is 100:0 (the edge letter orientation here is not always random, it can be 50:50, 60:40, 70:30 (f.i. 5 franc 1873),98:2 (f.i. 5 franc 1868) or 100:0).
Why is orientation so important to the Belgians?
Why is there for some coins "legend close to / far from rim", "wide rim / narrow rim", "wide/narrow date"...
They are different coins, varieties, whatever you like to call them, so we (Belgians) collect them, as do many other collectors. Here in Belgium we even have a special forum for coin varieties, check it out : cbnu.be
It doesn't say which is which, so is it as "always", Position A with obverse up? And which one is the 70% and the 98%? And which orientation do the other years have? Please add it to the coin sheet.
ΑπόσπασμαThe major grading services recognize the up or down orientation of the edge lettering ...
POSITION A - Edge lettering reads upside-down when the President's portrait faces up POSITION B - Edge lettering reads normally when the President's portrait faces up
this is exactly the opposite way as it is done "always"!
It doesn't say which is which, so is it as "always", Position A with obverse up? And which one is the 70% and the 98%? And which orientation do the other years have? Please add it to the coin sheet.
ΑπόσπασμαPOSITION A - Edge lettering reads upside-down when the President's portrait faces up
POSITION B - Edge lettering reads normally when the President's portrait faces up
This is exactly the opposite way as it is done "always"!
This is how it is for every coin with an edge orientation no matter from which country the coin is:
POSITION A - Edge lettering reads normally when the side with the denomination on it faces up.
POSITION B - Edge lettering reads upside-down when the side with the denomination on it faces up.
So check what the sheet says for the presidential dollars and you see that the description there is correct and not the opposite as it is done "always".
