I have acquired a Hungarian 20 Filler coin, dated 1967, made probably of cupro-nickel (not aluminium), not magnetic, but it looks like an ordinary circulation coin to me, not a proof issue. Can someone confirm this year/material was only used for proof issues, or were they also minted for general circulation???
well you know these things...
WC catalogs often have it wrong. nevertheless I check it now. and another catalog from Schön & Schön
(a comprehensive german one). Let's see...
ΑπόσπασμαKM# 550a 20 FILLER
Copper-Nickel Obv: Three wheat ears divide date Rev: Lines
divide denomination
Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU
1966 Proof 5,000 Value: 8.00
1967 Proof 5,000 Value: 8.00
WC says there is no further coin in the circulation issue than 1966. 1967 is Proof only.
Now för Schön & Schön... (written down from the book - it's german you see...)
Απόσπασμα20 Fillér (Al) 1953-1989. Typ wie Nr.41, jedoch neue Staatsbezeichnung:
1. Durchmesser 21.1mm, Rand glatt 1953,1955,1957-1966 0,30 0,50 €
2. Durchmesser 20.4mm, Riffelrand 1967-1989
To translate this one: No.1 is KM#550, No. 2 is KM#573 with the reduced size.
No Proof issue listed however, they missed that one it seems.
What's interesting here is that they also finish KM#550 with 1966, no 1967 issue.
Απόσπασμα: Makake77well you know these things...
WC catalogs often have it wrong. nevertheless I check it now. and another catalog from Schön & Schön
(a comprehensive german one). Let's see...
So what's the conclusion? Was a cupro-nickel 20 filler coin dated 1967 issued for general circulation, or just as a 5000 item proof issue?
However, If you search the internet there come interesting results.
Seems like there was maybe a restrike of this coin, so maybe for collectors only.
Not sure - any hungarians here to check this out?
However, If you search the internet there come interesting results.
Seems like there was maybe a restrike of this coin, so maybe for collectors only.
Not sure - any hungarians here to check this out?
These were not proof. I heard two proof of issues only.
Nr.1. Exist proof version, but I did not see.
Dated: 1946
Diameter: 21 mm
Thickness: 1,6 mm
Weight: 4 gramm
Material: 92% Cu, 8% Al
Edge: smooth
Minted: unknown
Designed by: Joseph Remenyi
Circulation: no
Nr.2. Silver restrike. “Master pieces” proof exist in memorial edition. Made in 2001. Made from an original tools of 1946.
Dated: 1946
Diameter: 21 mm
Thickness: 1,6 mm
Weight: 4 gramm
Material: Silver (Ag. 999,9)
Edge: smooth
Minted: 2000 pieces
Designed by: Joseph Remenyi
Circulation: no
Dated: 1967
Diameter: 21 mm
Thickness: 1,6 mm
Weight: 3,8 gramm
Material: alpaca
Edge: smooth
Minted: 5015
Designed by: Joseph Remenyi
They were restrike. “Piece of Cabinet series”
The UNC coins’ value in Hungary, 1000-3000 Ft. About 3,4 € - 10 €.
The photo is sample.
Francis
(Archie52)
Sorry to be so dense, can I confirm.
The 1967 Filler made of cupro-nickel was produced in a special limited edition of 5000 units. Struck not as a proof coin, but released as an unirculated coin for sets only? The circulation 20 filler being made of the usual aluminium?
Makake77,
As I mentioned, I know 2 type, what are proof. I think, the other isn’t. (1966, 1967 probably struck for collector)
The silver restrike in 2001, but 1946 date on coin.
The copper I didn’t see, I read just “ there are PP version also “
>>>>>>>> 1 forint
Dated: 1966
Diameter: 23,7 mm
Thickness: 1,6 mm
Weight: 5,9 gramm
Material: Silver (Ag. 835)
Edge: reeded (130 pieces)
Minted: 5006
Designed by: Stephen Ivan
Circulation: no
They were restrike. “Piece of Cabinet series”
Dated: 1967
Diameter: 23,7 mm
Thickness: 1,6 mm
Weight: 5,9 gramm
Material: Silver (Ag. 835)
Edge: reeded (130 pieces)
Minted: 5015
Designed by: Stephen Ivan
Circulation: no
They were restrike. “Piece of Cabinet series”
I don’t know proof struck, in neither case.
>>>>>>>> 1 forint
I know one proof type. (like silver 20 fillers)
Dated: 1946
Diameter: 23,7 mm
Thickness: 1,6 mm
Weight: 5,84 gramm
Material: Silver (Ag. 999,9)
Edge: reeded (130 pieces)
Minted: 2000
Designed by: Stephen Ivan
Circulation: no
Silver restrike. “Master pieces” proof exist in memorial edition. Made in 2001. Made from an original tools of 1946.
Matt,
You well said. Alpaca coins were for collectors in sets in 1966, 1967. For people aluminium, 5 and 10 million pieces. /otherwise, if I remember well, an ice cream scoop was 50 fillers/
were they Proof (in that Set along with 10 and 20 Filler UNC)?
or were they UNC In Set also?
We were talking about 20 filler! But I guess if they were in a set it would include other denominations also.
It would tie in with my original identification, as I said originally the coin I have does not look "proof", but it certainly is not aluminium either! Could well be part of a special cupro-nickel set.
2 forints
Dated: 1966
Diameter: 25 mm
Thickness: 1,4 mm
Weight: 6,2 gramm
Material: Silver (Ag. 835)
Edge: smooth 10 x repeated wave motive
Minted: 5006
Designed by: Stephen Ivan
Circulation: no
“Piece of Cabinet series”
Dated: 1967
Diameter: 25 mm
Thickness: 1,4 mm
Weight: 6,2 gramm
Material: Silver (Ag. 835)
Edge: smooth 10 x repeated wave motive
Minted: 5006
Designed by: Stephen Ivan
Circulation: no
“Piece of Cabinet series”
>>>>>>>>
Matt,
You are right again. 2 fillers – 5 forints were “cabinet series” pieces. But not proof.
There were official release and different companies compiled by the limited-edition.
Nr. 1 photo. Official black gift box made cabinet from 1966 to 1967 minted.
Nr.2 photo. As published by Franklin Mint, but 1966 only. I don’t know, why proof. It seems that isn’t.
very good find. thanks a lot. I will change that in the database tomorrow.
and yes - I agree ... it does not look like Proof, but that might be the reason why Krause does
list them as "Proof" coins - just because this set exists
