I thought of a thread to bundle all new countries and which should be deleted.
Add:
piemont republic
subalpine republic- historic significant because first decimal coin of italy called marengo
newfoundland- https://en.numista.com/forum/topic37873.html
south african homelands flags
babylon
mysore
confederate flag, did they have own coins? i didnt find the flag which is featured here with the red cross btw.
egypt(ancient)
join siberia and russia
Not sure of Piedmont and Subalpine Republics becuase they were precursor and successor states to some regions of Italy. Ergo "Italian states".
I agree with the separation of Newfoundland, they are simply too different than the mostly token coinage of the Canadian provinces.
Babylon could be listed under Macedonian coinage. It could in fact be a separate country altogether, since it was both Greek and Persianate. I strongly think that Egypt (ancient) should be listed, instead of lumping them separately into ancient Greek and Roman coinage.
Indian coinage is far and few between, and there are still many states that could be separated or listed together, especially those that covered many current countries, such as the sultanates. If Mysore, why not Vijayanagara? Or Prussia, even? They are Indian, and they remain there.
Confederate States only issued two or three coins that were merely private issues. Keep in mind "confederate" does not mean unified; they lacked a unified currency and depended on state-issued banknotes.
I think that Hutt River, Seborga, and Sealand should vanish but there is simply too much "popular opinion" to prove otherwise.
I've given a lot of thought and research regarding these countries you mentioned, please do not take it for a grain of salt.
Kenny
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What do you mean about "South African Homelands"? The bantustans were nominally independent but they still used the South African rand and they really weren't legitimate enough to be considered equal in any way to the dominant RSA. All I can find is this modern fantasy.
I think another problem is that Numista doesn't attract many ancient coin collectors, so we have very, very few ancient countries in the catalog (and those entries are certainly far from complete: Carthage has 6 coins and the listings are still all-French). I think we should separate them, at least visually: maybe the ancient polities could all be put at the bottom of the page, in a special list with no need for flags, and maybe we could be more liberal with making new country listings there. That's just because it bothers me on some level when I see "Cicilian Armenia" right next to "Cocos (Keeling) Islands".
I wonder how many times are you still going to say that micronations should be deleted ?
You should better spend your time in adding coins to the catalog or correcting already existing pages, than at least you do something good for the site. Also I wonder if you have ever heard about "capital letters".
Yes maybe a button where you can switch to countries b.c. or a.d. or everything before 1500 years so.
i just thought of random states which came in my mind. yes i also didnt find any south africa homeland coins. maybe a southafrica collector here knwos more about it, if something like that existed.
And i offer to add Russian Siberia to Russia as part of catalog
Now, we have
Russia:
Rouble (1535-1700)
Russian States - Grand Duchy of Moscow (1263-1535)
Ruble (1700-1921)
Ruble (1991-1997)
Ruble (1998-date)
and
Siberia:
Siberia - Ruble (1700-1921)
I offer to add Siberia to Russia as:
Rouble (1535-1700)
Russian States - Grand Duchy of Moscow (1263-1535)
Ruble (1700-1921) Siberia - Ruble (1700-1921)
Ruble (1991-1997)
Ruble (1998-date)
Απόσπασμα: Moi_dela_horowoAnd i offer to add Russian Siberia to Russia as part of catalog
Why not have all Russian occupation coinage under one roof? To name a few, Livonia and Estonia, Moldavia and Wallachia, Crimea, Siberia, etc? It could be named "Russian territories", much better to have them separate than lumped together with mainland coinage
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I would like to see Russian Empire separated from Russian Federation because they are divided by many years and a lot of history. Separating the Soviet Union from Russia is already something we do that Krause doesn't, why not go a bit further.
This makes a lot of sense. If Yemen is divided into its precursor and successor states, why can't Russia? If the referee (moi_dela_horowo) agrees, then they will be separated. Listing all the occupation coinage together is something we should try.
I also think all precursor states in the Persian gulf region should be merged together, so Ajman, Ras al-Khaimah, all other emirates, Hejaz, early Yemeni coinage, Qatar & Dubai (as a union), etc. since they all had British influence. Listing the emirates separately makes no sense.
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Απόσπασμα: KennyGThis makes a lot of sense. If Yemen is divided into its precursor and successor states, why can't Russia? If the referee (moi_dela_horowo) agrees, then they will be separated. Listing all the occupation coinage together is something we should try.
I also think all precursor states in the Persian gulf region should be merged together, so Ajman, Ras al-Khaimah, all other emirates, Hejaz, early Yemeni coinage, Qatar & Dubai (as a union), etc. since they all had British influence. Listing the emirates separately makes no sense.
I agree about separate Russia Empire and Russia
But i dont agree with including all territories to one country
About Siberia - it wasnt occupation. It was big part of one territory - Russian Empire
You are right about the Russian Siberian coinage, not an occupation coinage but local currency. I'm glad that you think that the Federation and the Empire should be separated, with good reason.
However, I think we could use a different category altogether for Russian territories, maybe Russian states? It seems more logical to list Russian Caucasian coinage with other local coinage. Why do you think local Russian coinage should be listed separately?
Kenny
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Απόσπασμα: KennyGYou are right about the Russian Siberian coinage, not an occupation coinage but local currency. I'm glad that you think that the Federation and the Empire should be separated, with good reason.
However, I think we could use a different category altogether for Russian territories, maybe Russian states? It seems more logical to list Russian Caucasian coinage with other local coinage. Why do you think local Russian coinage should be listed separately?
I dont think about it =)
I need to read some info about states to tell you something about it
Check it at evening
If Seborga and Sealand are in main catalog :), I wonder why we discussed about Harar as separate state... please add this territory as separate "country" , so I will add two coins to catalog
or something like that? where you can move the bar and and at which position it is it displays the countries.
Eg. if i move it to 5000B.C it still shows Germany but it also displays ancient Egypt or whatever prehistoric coin existed at that time. But if i move the bar to 1900 it doesnt display ancient egypt.
Απόσπασμα: MuenzenhamsterMaybe we should only accept UN approved countries.
Then west-sahara is also gone.
This is never ever a good idea.
- Vatican City is not a U.N. member. Neither is the SMOM.
- Also, say goodbye to the (circulating!) coins of Transnistria and the commemoratives of Abkhazia and Nagorno-Karabakh (although Nagorno's coins do seem a bit fantastical).
- This also leaves out the world's non-self-governing territories, of which there are still lots (Isle of Man, French Polynesia, Cook Islands...)
- And don't even get me started on former colonies.
please dont politize chat. based on your logic, soon You will say that Lugansk People Republic and Donetsk People Republic are "countries" . Any self-proclaimed territory, which is not under control of origin country recognizing by UN in self-borders, doesnot have any rights to be listed as current " country". Its just an international rule of any forum. Nagornokarabakh, Lugansk, Donetsk, Abkhazia, Osetia, Transnistria, Kurdistan, ISIS, and Caucasian Emirates etc and etc.. are such territories. I agree that probably there are many people here, who are fans of these places, but intl. rules dont allow to call these territories "country" . Nobody prohibit to collect their coins, but it doesnot mean that they are "countries". By the way, - Abkhazia mooved to "tokens" section several month ago. And it is right decision.
Regarding old historical territories, when there were not any international rules, and only Strongs of World could make bordersin agreement with each other ( like Tordesilha Treaty ) , admins decide themselves how to make a schedule/ stock.
A discussion of what countryhood is will be inherently political - it's almost the definition of political. So there's no exit here.
DPR and LPR as they stand now meet almost none of the criteria for statehood, especially when not even Russia will recognize them. And I shouldn't have mentioned Abkhazia, I didn't even notice the move to the tokens section. Nobody will miss them. Unfortunately all of these war-torn places do not exist in any rational world.
But there are still three modern examples that prove that United Nations membership is not required to issue circulating coins that have a rightful place in any catalog, ignoring overseas territories - Vatican City (internationally recognized, undeniably a country, but not a U.N. member), Order of Malta (recognized by Krause and Numista, but also not in the U.N.), and Transnistria (no U.N. recognition, but stable and it produces a currency that is used and accepted throughout its borders). Meanwhile, countries like Monaco only completely joined the U.N. in 1993.
U.N. membership is important but it is not the only criterion that should be used.
Απόσπασμα: Moi_dela_horowoAnd i offer to add Russian Siberia to Russia as part of catalog
Why not have all Russian occupation coinage under one roof? To name a few, Bohemia and Moravia, Livonia and Estonia, Moldavia and Wallachia, Crimea, Siberia, etc? It could be named "Russian territories", much better to have them separate than lumped together with mainland coinage
Απόσπασμα: Muenzenhamsteroh no not the cook island discussion again
"non-self-governing territories" is something else than phantasycountries like sealand.
It was just a suggestion. Nagornokarabkh is only a russian puppet state recognised by nobody.
Maybe decide on questionable states individually?
Fail again : even recognized only by "Russian puppet states", it's an Armenian-language separatist republic in Azerbaijan
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Απόσπασμα: nalaberongA discussion of what countryhood is will be inherently political - it's almost the definition of political. So there's no exit here.
DPR and LPR as they stand now meet almost none of the criteria for statehood, especially when not even Russia will recognize them. And I shouldn't have mentioned Abkhazia, I didn't even notice the move to the tokens section. Nobody will miss them. Unfortunately all of these war-torn places do not exist in any rational world.
But there are still three modern examples that prove that United Nations membership is not required to issue circulating coins that have a rightful place in any catalog, ignoring overseas territories - Vatican City (internationally recognized, undeniably a country, but not a U.N. member), Order of Malta (recognized by Krause and Numista, but also not in the U.N.), and Transnistria (no U.N. recognition, but stable and it produces a currency that is used and accepted throughout its borders). Meanwhile, countries like Monaco only completely joined the U.N. in 1993.
U.N. membership is important but it is not the only criterion that should be used.
I dont promote here UN recognition as criterion to be country. I say, that self-proclaimed terrotries, which were separated from origin country couldnot mentioned as countries.
Are there enough coins from the time period to treat Russian states as a separate entity, similar to Indian States or United States Pre-Federal? If not, then I would be inclined to place them under Russian Empire, (Similar to the way R.S.F.S.R. is in the Soviet Union.
Not sure about Russian states, looking at the wire coins they could be listed separately but not as Russian states.
If the referee agrees with the listing of Russian Empire, and members agree as well, I will separate the coins over the weekend from the federation coinage.
Same goes for Russian territories. If the referee agrees, I will move the coins here.
Kenny
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Απόσπασμα: KennyGNot sure about Russian states, looking at the wire coins they could be listed separately but not as Russian states.
If the referee agrees with the listing of Russian Empire, and members agree as well, I will separate the coins over the weekend from the federation coinage.
Same goes for Russian territories. If the referee agrees, I will move the coins here.
Hehe
i am a referee of Russia
but i dont know what situation will be better
and i asked help in this question
i offer my point of view
but i dont know is this point the best?
Απόσπασμα: Moi_dela_horowoHehe
i am a referee of Russia
but i dont know what situation will be better
and i asked help in this question
i offer my point of view
but i dont know is this point the best?
Whoever is most knowledgeable about Russian coins, which is you. Looks like members agree that Russian Empire should be separated and territories should be created. It is up to you regarding Muscovy coinage.
Kenny
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Regarding pre-1613 (the start of Romanov dynasty under which Russia has become an Empire) Russia I would suggest the name "Russian Principalities", which could include wire money from Moscow, Pskov, Novgorod, etc.
To avoid the dispute about countries and non-countries, shall we have the name "country/issuing authority" ?
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
Απόσπασμα: eitan190Also: US-colonial France
(From when they had territories in America in the 18th century.)
Either listed in French colonies (issued for French Caribbean and American territories), or as homeland coinage valued in billon sous. There are very few coins issued specifically for overseas French colonies before the 19th century.
Kenny
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Russian Territory
Need to discuss
Abkhazia
Russian Caucasia
Livonia and Estonia
Spitzbergen?
Poland under Russia?
Finland under Russia?
Need help
And one big question
Russian States (pre Empire) - 1263-1535
Empire or Territory?
Better to use a systems and classifications, which are more close and common for most members. Coins of Russian Empire, made for Finland, are listed under Finland, becaus its more easy to find them under Finland for most members, - news and experienced too. . It was regular coinage, which were in circulation ONLY in Finland. Same, for example with Georgia. Russian Empire coins, which were struck at Tbilisi Mint, and had circulated only within Georgia, listed under Georgia. Ottoman coins, struck in Lybia - listed under Lybia, Ottoman Algeria - under Algeria. and so on... Lets make catalog more easy, and not more difficult.
Russian Territory
Need to discuss
Abkhazia
Russian Caucasia
Livonia and Estonia
Spitzbergen?
Poland under Russia?
Finland under Russia?
Need help
And one big question
Russian States (pre Empire) - 1263-1535
Empire or Territory?
Better to use a systems and classifications, which are more close and common for most members. Coins of Russian Empire, made for Finland, are listed under Finland, becaus its more easy to find them under Finland for most members, - news and experienced too. . It was regular coinage, which were in circulation ONLY in Finland. Same, for example with Georgia. Russian Empire coins, which were struck at Tbilisi Mint, and had circulated only within Georgia, listed under Georgia. Ottoman coins, struck in Lybia - listed under Lybia, Ottoman Algeria - under Algeria. and so on... Lets make catalog more easy, and not more difficult.
Abkhazia is actually a Georgian province that is illegally occupied by Russia.
Spitzbergen is given an independent listing,as is Siberia & Tatarstan.
Nagorno-Karabakh is an independent republic that seceded from Azerbaijan in the late 1980's.
One country that should be listed is South Sudan.
The Principality of Hutt River should be listed separately,as it is a country - albeit,not recognised.
The new main question : delete micronations or not? Am I right?
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Απόσπασμα: Moi_dela_horowoRussian Territory
Need to discuss
Abkhazia
Russian Caucasia
Livonia and Estonia
Spitzbergen?
Poland under Russia?
Finland under Russia?
Polish and Finnish issues should be kept under Poland and Finland since they were issued for their respective countries. Territories refers to occupation coinage or territorial coinage for countries that no longer exist, much like most states coinage. Spitzbergen issues are fantasies, and Abkhazia is issued specifically for its territory.
I have created Russia - Empire, anyone can feel free to move the coins there.
Kenny
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Create a country "Egypt (ancient)" is a good idea but we will not able to put in it more than two pages, which correspond to the only two coins struck by a truly egyptian authority:
However, I'm totally against the idea to put the Ptolemaic coins in this new country.
The coins struck at the mint of Babylon during the macedonian period of domination are already in "Macedonian Kingdom", in Greece (ancient) ; but the coins of Babylon which hasn't any link with a greek period of domination (Macedonian or Seleucid) can't be classified in Greece (ancient).
I like having the pre-Soviet coins in a separate area.
Has there been a decision yet on the Russian Principalities? I've got a few from there and don't want to reorganize if we move them.
Απόσπασμα: KAISERKILLERfr08However, I'm totally against the idea to put the Ptolemaic coins in this new country.
The coins struck at the mint of Babylon during the macedonian period of domination are already in "Macedonian Kingdom", in Greece (ancient) ; but the coins of Babylon which hasn't any link with a greek period of domination (Macedonian or Seleucid) can't be classified in Greece (ancient).
+1 !
La monnaie est merveilleuse. Elle transcende l'histoire et survit aux temps de son porteur. C'est un messager du temps que l'on se doit de respecter.
Απόσπασμα: jadejackalI like having the pre-Soviet coins in a separate area.
Has there been a decision yet on the Russian Principalities? I've got a few from there and don't want to reorganize if we move them.
Don't forget that Russia also had coins when it was the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic from 1921 to 1923, plus an issue of the gold Chervonets in the 1970's.
The U.S.S.R.'s coins should be listed separately (1924-91).
Instead of DELETING the micronations , i suggest making a little header with the name "micronations" in the country list and list there all the micronations names
Απόσπασμα: kommodoreInstead of DELETING the micronations , i suggest making a little header with the name "micronations" in the country list and list there all the micronations names
I disagree with this. Almost all micronation coinage are privately-issued, fantasy coinage that have no actual legal tender value. The country list and the dashboard go hand-in-hand, so listing "coins" from Easter Island makes no sense when listed next to Micronesia.
Kenny
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Easter Island is not a micronation, these coins were issued by a dealer who issues coins for many different islands which have never aimed to be independent. The issuance of these coins has never been authorised by a local government. These are what we call "fantasies" and should not be included in the country list.
In contrary to that:
Hutt River is a recognised independent state (I don't think that I can get it more clear for the haters on here), Seborga and Sealand are recognised to some extend.
All of these 3 countries should be listed separately in the country list.
Απόσπασμα: MuenzenhamsterI thought of a thread to bundle all new countries and which should be deleted.
Add:
confederate flag, did they have own coins? i didnt find the flag which is featured here with the r
please feel free to add your suggestions
If I weren't such a rugged and masculine type of bloke I'd hug you for this.
Yes, the Confederacy produced coins but they are few and far between and almost every example available to collectors is a restrike. Only 16 original coins, 12 cents and 4 half dollars, are known to exist. Mostly we just used the yankee invader's money. We had better things to do with the few industrial centers in Southern hands such as making good old Southern steel and shot.
The restrikes were made in the 1870's from the original dies and have a considerable numismatic value, although they are not technically currency. A second issues was made in 1957 and even these have a value of several hundred dollars each.
The case for including the CSA is much stronger that that of fantasy coins struck just for collectors. It was a legitimate government which did issue coins intended for circulation.
Deo vindice!
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Not sure it's official, as these British bases should be using the Cyprus currency, aka. the euro... Maybe a private emission, particularly seeing this coin is coloured, which is for non-circulating coinage only
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I'm against those non official, non circulating pieces of metal from non existing countries. They are absolutely not serious and not of any numismatic value.
Απόσπασμα: SjoelundI'm against those non official, non circulating pieces of metal from non existing countries. They are absolutely not serious and not of any numismatic value.
But even an Overseas Territory, it's depending on Cyprus currency, aka. the Cypriot pound up to 2007, and the euro since 2008. This token is labelled in pound, so there is absolutely no numismatic value, except with any mention of this coinage from UK or from the local administration (which is, to remember, military)
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quote "When the territory under the effective control of the Republic of Cyprus switched currencies from the Cypriot pound to the euro on 1 January 2008, Akrotiri and Dhekelia followed suit making the Sovereign Base Areas the only territory under British sovereignty to officially use the euro." unquote
This is from the Wikipedia and also from CHOMP-MASTER, so it just proves, that those round metal pieces are just round metal pieces with something struck on them, but NOT coins!
If you really want to add it, this should be more considered as a private token
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Απόσπασμα: chomp-masterIf you really want to add it, this should be more considered as a private token
I have uploaded photos to the catalogue - & requesting a new listing - Akrotiri & Dhekelia Sovereign Base Areas being created.
Aidan.
And if accepted I would immediately ask for a change, as this can't be considered as a local coin as nothing told they effectively struck for their own territory.
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And I have here a real coin from the independent People's Democratic Republic of Calgary
Denomination, date, and location are not enough to make a coin. It needs to have actual national or sub-national government authorization.
That makes my token more of a coin than your token because mine actually WAS authorized by the City of Calgary
Beware, you're starting to justify micronations coinage
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Here are a couple more Russian protectorates in Central Asia which I did not see mentioned in Russia/Soviet Union-related discussion above:
- Khorezm People's Soviet Republic
- Bukhara
Khorezm PSR is a successor of the Khiva khanate. Both KhPSR and Bukhara existed as independent states for only a few years in the early 1920s before eventually being incorporated into Soviet Union and their territory getting split between various Soviet Republics.
"Хорезмская Народная Советская Республика (ХНСР, узб. Xorazm Xalq Sho'ro Jumhuriyati) — была создана как преемница Хивинского ханства в феврале 1920, в результате Хивинской революции, когда хан Хорезма отрёкся от престола, и официально был объявлен Первый Хорезмский Курултай (Собрание) 26 апреля 1920." и т.д.
I wish to split South Africa & the South African Republic or Transvaal. Transvaal (officially Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek) was an independent state from 1852 to 1902. It was separate from the Cape Colony. If UAR coins are in a separate listing then ZAR coins should definitely be listed separately.
Απόσπασμα: jokinenI wish to split South Africa & the South African Republic or Transvaal. Transvaal (officially Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek) was an independent state from 1852 to 1902. It was separate from the Cape Colony. If UAR coins are in a separate listing then ZAR coins should definitely be listed separately.
The South African Republic was actually an independent state under British suzerainty.
The name 'Transvaal' was actually applied to its territory between 1902 & 1994 as the Colony of Transvaal from 1902 to 1910,then as the Province of Transvaal.
The coin listings for South Africa itself should be divided as well - into Union of South Africa' (1923-60) & 'Republic of South Africa' (since 1961).
Someone knows if a country was recently merged with another one?
I was at 372 and now I am at 371, but I am not missing a country I already had, so it seems it was merge.
Also, shouldn't there be a main post in where the Admins tell the users which countries are merged and which new ones are created? It is a chore to try spotting the coins you had and try finding them on their new home. This specially applies to single coins moved from one territory to another one, as with no previous notice you might never realize what happen.
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History through coins.
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Απόσπασμα: erdvillaI was at 372 and now I am at 371, but I am not missing a country I already had, so it seems it was merge.
Someone knows if a country was recently merged with another one?
I think the 'Indian kingdom ' is merged with 'Indian Princely states' and named "Indian states"
Yes I know about those, but this one seems to be more recent (2 days tops). So it has to be something else; and it wasn't a country becoming tokens, because otherwise I would have a new token section at top of my collection; those are pretty easy to spot when they happen because of that.
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Απόσπασμα: KennyGRussia - Empire was the lastest approved country to be added to the list. Very few countries have been eliminated, so it must be Indian kingdoms.
I am sure it has to be something else,. Because I already knew about the Indian Kingdoms as I lost 3 coins there, but they all eventually where moved, so it disappeared once I didn't had any coin there. So it has to be something else and more recent.
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History through coins.
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Απόσπασμα: KennyGRussia - Empire was the lastest approved country to be added to the list. Very few countries have been eliminated, so it must be Indian kingdoms.
I am sure it has to be something else,. Because I already knew about the Indian Kingdoms as I lost 3 coins there, but they all eventually where moved, so it disappeared once I didn't had any coin there. So it has to be something else and more recent.
I agree. It seems to me that one country disappeared, too.
Απόσπασμα: KennyGRussia - Empire was the lastest approved country to be added to the list. Very few countries have been eliminated, so it must be Indian kingdoms.
I am sure it has to be something else,. Because I already knew about the Indian Kingdoms as I lost 3 coins there, but they all eventually where moved, so it disappeared once I didn't had any coin there. So it has to be something else and more recent.
I agree. It seems to me that one country disappeared, too.
With help from Frenchlover I finally spotted my most recent -1 country:
Royaume de Lan Xang was merged into Laos.
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History through coins.
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Απόσπασμα: jokinenI wish to split South Africa & the South African Republic or Transvaal. Transvaal (officially Zuid-Afrikaansche Republiek) was an independent state from 1852 to 1902. It was separate from the Cape Colony. If UAR coins are in a separate listing then ZAR coins should definitely be listed separately.
Incidentally, if the glorious CSA is to be included as a separate country please don't fall into the trap of using the Stars and Bars.
What most people term a "rebel flag" is the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. Various states used similar versions of the Stars and Bars but the Virginia one is best known today.
The Confederate States of America had a flag which could be shared by both the centralized Confederacy and by each of the succeeding states. Just as today, the US flag is used to represent the Union of all 50 States, each State also has it's own unique flag. Below is the Florida State flag and the Stars and Stripes.
Clearly then, it would make as little sense to use the Florida State flag to represent the US as a whole as it would to use the battle flag to represent the CSA. The flag of the Confederacy was the Bonnie Blue, shown below.
Below is a link to a clip from the magnificent film, Gods & Generals where General Lee and his staff are enjoying a concert featuring the Bonnie Blue. Incidentally, if you look at the second row of the audience you can spot several famous non-actors who were dressed up as CSA staff officers to fill out the crowd. Ted Turner is the along with Senator Robert Byrd. You may recognize others.
I've some ideas, too
please note, a country is a country if it has: an area of control, a people and a government/administration.
Abkhasia --> delete (empty category, they use Russian Rouble, Apsar seems to be official but not used currency as the coins are made of silver and gold and material is more expensive than coins value)
Aland--> delete (empty category)
American Samoa --> Tokens (they use USD)
(Araucania&Patagonia --> Tokens (was a planned emission but never released) )
Bourbon Island ---> delete. (who needs this redirection to Réunion?? nobody!)
British Antarctic Territory --> Tokens (nonsense because there's no population so the coins can't be used anywhere)
British Indian Ocean Territory --> Tokens (nonsense because there's no population so the coins can't be used anywhere)
Eurozone --> don't know. actually every country is responsible for their own coins, only banknotes are emitted by the ECB, but also it's ok to have this category
Hutt River --> (no country, no circulating coins)
Lundy --> Tokens (no country, no circulating coins)
Malta, Order of --> Tokens (that's not a country, not circulating coins- kind of private issue)
Marshall Islands --> Tokens (no circulating coins)
Micronesia --> delete (empty category)
Nagorno Karabakh--> Tokens (no circulating coins, they use Armenian coins)
Nauru --> Tokens (no circulating coins)
Niue --> Tokens (no circulating coins)
Northern Mariana Islands --> Tokens (no circulating coins)
Persian Gulf--> delete?
Pitcairn --> Tokens (not a country, they use British coinage)
Sealand --> Tokens (private issue, not a country)
Seborga --> Tokens (more or less private issue, definitely not a country)
South Georgia & S. Sandwich Islands --> Tokens (definitely no circulation coinage)
Tanganyika--> deleate as it only leads to Tanzania, there were no "Tanganyika"-coins
Tatarstan -->Token (the coins are already marked as Tokens. Tatarstan has never been a country)
Umm al-Qaiwain, Sharjah, Ras al-Khaimah, Fujairah... --> unite to one "country" like e.g. United Arab Emirates -Pre-Union coinage
(United States- Pre-Federal --> United States -Token)
Westantarctica --> delete (no coins in this list, surely there will never be circulating coins)
I'm not orange and also in other things I'm not a Donald at all. DonChori like Don Felipe or Doña María, por favor.
Απόσπασμα: DonChoriAmerican Samoa --> These are considered Commemorative Bullion with proper KM#
British Antarctic Territory --> Military outposts, technically count.
British Indian Ocean Territory --> Military outposts, technically count.
Lundy --> Early issues where pedged to the Lundy Post Stamps, which in turn where recognized and pedged to the British Pound, so the Puffin was accepted as a local currency (only the early ones).
Nauru --> Recognized as a KM#.
Niue --> Recognized as a KM#.
Pitcairn --> They are meant for the people there, but they never reach them.
Tatarstan --> Briefly recognized as tokens where legal tender.
Umm al-Qaiwain, Sharjah, Ras al-Khaimah, Fujairah... --> unite to one "country"? No way.
United States- Pre-Federal --> Could be fussed just like in Mexico the Independence and Royalist coins are, but you would gain a lot of enemies.
Numista referee for the "Viceroyalty of the New Spain" (most of it).
History through coins.
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Malta, Order of sure have a place in the catalogue and used to be a country with circulating coins, but I agree all the modern ones should be moved to the Tokens section.
For the Cape colonies, they are in the Tokens section at the moment
From most of the states there were some circulating tokens (Presumably, as some experts are still fighting on this one) but the ones in the catalogue at the moment were presentation pieces minted abroad and didn't have much to do with the states, simmilar of the 1890 patterns from Liberia
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American Samoa --> considered as a local coinage emitted by the local government
Bourbon Island ---> would prefer a 3-part split between Isles de France et de Bourbon, Bourbon Island and Réunion
British Indian Ocean Territory --> Fail
Eurozone --> statu quo for each country
Hutt River --> never considered "micronations coinage" as coins
Lundy --> similar (and empty category)
Malta, Order of --> Former Maltese authority emitting coinage (1530-1825), and reemitting coins since 1961, more like a government-in-exile coinage.
Nagorno Karabakh--> Seems to be a real currency at par with the Armenian Dram, but low coinage specific of this contested region.
Niue --> Not circulating but legal
Pitcairn --> Not circulating but legal too
Sealand --> micronations, again
Seborga --> bored of these f***ing micronations
South Georgia & S. Sandwich Islands --> Legal coinage, sorry
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Small update: Abkhazia should be re-enlisted as I found the "Central Bank" in charge of their commemorative currency. And, as we tolerate Scudi from San Marino, or Diner from Andorra, Apsar should be the Abkhazia alternative coinage. Even not having their own circulating coinage, just Russian one.
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Απόσπασμα: jokinenAnd South Africa - Boer Republics! ☺
I contacted the referee for South Africa and he totally agreed with me. According to him it was like listing the Hawaian coins under United States.
didnt they payed with (former) dutch money there?
By the time the Boer Republics existed (1840's) I presume they used British currency, but before the British took control of Cape Colony around 1800, I would guess that Dutch homeland and VOC money was used.
In 1892 the SAR or Transvaal introduced its own coins, based on British Pounds but separate from what was used in Cape Colony. These coins depict their founding father Paul Kruger, and not Queen Victoria.
This topic seems to be ignored... I'm still waiting for my request about Abkhazia but nothing.
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
