Blank Coin Planchets

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Do blank planchets of coins really deserve a spot on the coin catalog? In some ways they are essentially the same as their finished counter parts. 

 

I have spotted a few examples of planchets on the catalog, which are:

 

N#52814 

1 Euro Cent (Blank Planchet) ND

Blank planchet 2 Euro Cents  ND

Blank planchet 5 Euro Cents ND

 

Some of these are called “patterns” or, for the case of the US penny planchet, a “medal”.

 

What do you think? 

I hear every coin you jingle!

They should be in coin errors, which Numista doesn't show, so out with those “blanks”!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

You think they are not objects of historical interest or collectable items that resemble or relate to coins?  

 

But they shouldn't be in Patterns.

I dunno, if I got one from a mint tour or something I think it would be interesting to have in my collection and thus have a place in the catalog.

 

But I also understand why they wouldn't be included.

How about this one which does have a reference code: N#412043 

 

 

By the way, I do agree that these should be removed 

I hear every coin you jingle!

rsirian1

You think they are not objects of historical interest or collectable items that resemble or relate to coins?  

 

But they shouldn't be in Patterns.

Of course, they relate to coins, but then the end of life of coin is also needed? Example joined! A destroyed Dutch 1 cent coin from 2000!

That's as far from pattern as you can get! At least this one can be identified and placed in time. This is anyway, for the time being of no historical interest and we miss the corresponding blanc. So where is the interest?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Shall I make a request to have the blank planchet coins deleted?                 

 

Here are all the blanks that I identified: 

 

N#352147

N#352149 

N#352152 

N#412043 

N#231219 

N#419645 

N#475350 

N#52814 

N#307067 

N#307066 

I hear every coin you jingle!

Please wait, they don't block anything in numista……

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Please wait, they don't block anything in numista……

Block what?

I hear every coin you jingle!

Menu82025

Shall I make a request to have the blank planchet coins deleted?                 

 

 

On what grounds. They are clearly in scope of Numista.

I am relatively new when it comes to coin terms, and so what exactly is a coin pattern? 

I hear every coin you jingle!

Menu82025

Sjoelund

Please wait, they don't block anything in numista……

Block what?

Numista will work perfectly well even with those non coins around.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

What are the “non-coins”? 

I hear every coin you jingle!

A pattern is a test coin to prove the design or to try out different compositions.

Based on your definition, that means most blank planchets mentioned here, especially the US penny planchet are not patterns? If I can recall, the zinc planchet was distributed to the visitors of the US mint when they tour the minting progress. By definition, that zinc planchet is not a test coin then. 

I hear every coin you jingle!

Menu82025

What are the “non-coins”? 

A “blanc” is the raw material for a coin, but the design is missing, so it can not be a pattern (a pattern includes a design)

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Menu82025

Based on your definition, that means most blank planchets mentioned here, especially the US penny planchet are not patterns? If I can recall, the zinc planchet was distributed to the visitors of the US mint when they tour the minting progress. By definition, that zinc planchet is not a test coin then. 

Yes. That's what I said in my first post.

Menu82025

Based on your definition, that means most blank planchets mentioned here, especially the US penny planchet are not patterns? If I can recall, the zinc planchet was distributed to the visitors of the US mint when they tour the minting progress. By definition, that zinc planchet is not a test coin then. 

NO, the pattern missed! They were just “blancs”.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Then again, is this blank coin considered a test object: N#423436 

 

This was used to test a new coin design method.                 

I hear every coin you jingle!

rsirian1

You think they are not objects of historical interest or collectable items that resemble or relate to coins?  

 

But they shouldn't be in Patterns.

Historically interesting? Most often not really. 

Of interest to people who care about the minting process? Most likely. 

Deserving of a separate coin page? In the vast majority of cases no IMO. 

 

If it's an error you can always list those under the page of the intended coin under ‘undetermined’ (or even as examples). 

And if I can not find out the coin it was meant to be? … then what point would have a catalog page for it in the first place other then to list ones personal junk? Like larger swaths of the exonumia catalog, populated by single owner entries.

Should I get the blanks requested to be deleted at this point?

I hear every coin you jingle!

Menu82025

Should I get the blanks requested to be deleted at this point?

What I wrote at 20:01 is still valid, why are you in a hurry?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

No hurry, just asking if it’s a good idea to get them removed.

I hear every coin you jingle!

Just my 2 cents, but a blank penny planchet is considered a collectible numismatic item by many.  After all, you can buy them from your LCS  (Local Coin shop) or even directly from the U.S. Mint if you'd like.  Allow me to explain.

 

The U.S. Mint makes a special coin set called the "2019 Explore and Discover Coin Set".  It's basically a coin set for kids that you can buy directly from the U.S. Mint here:  https://www.usmint.gov/explore-and-discover-coin-set-2019-19XGB.html  

One of the items included in the coin set is a blank penny planchet.  I have included a screenshot below so that you can see it a little more clearly:

 


If you want to see an even higher resolution image, some examples from this coin set have been sent off to PCGS for certification.  Here's the relevant page from PCGS:  https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2019-1c-blank-planchet-explore-discover-set-rd/715594

(Side Note:  No, I don't recommend wasting money getting them certified.  Grading fees exceed resale value.)

 

You can sometimes buy blank penny planchets from your LCS (Local Coin shop).  I once bought a blank penny planchet from my LCS for just a few dollars.  They don't have a high resale value.  But, I just wanted one for my own personal collection.

TonyCoins

Just my 2 cents, but a blank penny planchet is considered a collectible numismatic item by many.  After all, you can buy them from your LCS  (Local Coin shop) or even directly from the U.S. Mint if you'd like.  Allow me to explain.

 

The U.S. Mint makes a special coin set called the "2019 Explore and Discover Coin Set".  It's basically a coin set for kids that you can buy directly from the U.S. Mint here:  https://www.usmint.gov/explore-and-discover-coin-set-2019-19XGB.html  

One of the items included in the coin set is a blank penny planchet.  I have included a screenshot below so that you can see it a little more clearly:

 


If you want to see an even higher resolution image, some examples from this coin set have been sent off to PCGS for certification.  Here's the relevant page from PCGS:  https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2019-1c-blank-planchet-explore-discover-set-rd/715594

(Side Note:  No, I don't recommend wasting money getting them certified.  Grading fees exceed resale value.)

 

You can sometimes buy blank penny planchets from your LCS (Local Coin shop).  I once bought a blank penny planchet from my LCS for just a few dollars.  They don't have a high resale value.  But, I just wanted one for my own personal collection.

Interesting. Fair enough and why not?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Hah, he said just my two cents.

TonyCoins

Just my 2 cents, but a blank penny planchet is considered a collectible numismatic item by many.  After all, you can buy them from your LCS  (Local Coin shop) or even directly from the U.S. Mint if you'd like.  

I just created a Set for this.

rsirian1

I just created a Set for this.

Cool.  Thanks rsirian1!

Since coin planchets are numismatic to many, does a separate category for them need to exist? They are not patterns, and neither are they medals. This category could be used to account of their existence in coin sets such as the 2019 coin set being discussed.

I hear every coin you jingle!

They should have a category of Planchet, i dont understand why there isn’t such an obvious option.

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After reading the link above, apparently there never was (and still isn't) any standardization in the Numista catalog for blanks (and/or) what's known as blank planchets.  When I search through the Numista catalog I see blank planchets cataloged all over the place: "Emergency Coinage", "Patterns", "Tokens", "Medals".

 

I would propose the following new structure under the root of "Coins":

 

Coins
  + Discs
      - Type 1 Blank (No Raised Rim)
      - Type 2 Planchet (With Raised Rim)

 

[Edited above to change terminology.]

 

Most all of the examples we typically see would fall under Type 2 (With Raised Rim).  But I did notice some blanks on the French catalog that don't have a raised rim and hence would be considered Type 1 blank.  Anyone is welcome to modify my example or suggest something completely different.

Technically Type 1 is a Blank. A Blank becomes a Planchet (Type 2) after the rim is made. I suggest you revive the other post with this since it is still open.

rsirian1

Technically Type 1 is a Blank. A Blank becomes a Planchet (Type 2) after the rim is made. I suggest you revive the other post with this since it is still open.

Very good point.  I have edited my post.

I meant make the post on the Numista suggestion post I linked to.

rsirian1

I meant make the post on the Numista suggestion post I linked to.

Gotcha.  I just made the post.  Thanks.

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