Tian Sheng Yuan Bao (possible Indonesia imitation?)

Hi team, recently I purchased a lot with coins from Indonesia and Malaysia. The following was included: 

A curious exemplar of a Tian Sheng Yuan Bao, i suspect is an Indonesian imitation. I have been checking David Hartill chinese cast coins catalogue and the calligraphy is very different.

The previous owner bought the coin in Indonesia.

I would like to confirm if this coin is an imitation from Indonesia. 

@by.abay could you check this coin ?

Thank you very much 

Greetings 

@by.abay 

it seems to me like 16.79 from the book image you shared (from the bottom left dot of 寶 especially)

by.abay

it seems to me like 16.79 from the book image you shared (from the bottom left dot of 寶 especially)

Umm 🤔 , I'm going to look for references with some examples of 16.79

by.abay

it seems to me like 16.79 from the book image you shared (from the bottom left dot of 寶 especially)

This page N#23690   have one exemplar  of 16.79 .

I have just checked this book https://es.numista.com/L110712 and this model have a different calligraphy in Bao especially, so doesn´t match with exemplars registered . I think could be a rebel copy  . 

Lets invite @gros also  to this conversation. What do you think about this TianSheng Yuanbao?

Hello

Could be 16.79 with the left hooked feet of the Bao

the indonesian copy are more in tin

and could be a Nagasaky trade  coin (often more dark metal than yours)

https://www.zeno.ru/search.php?searchid=424907

Thanks you very much team!!

Greetings 

I will check tomorrow my Chinese coin dictionnary 

Hartill  does not list all varieties sometimes

gros

I will check tomorrow my Chinese coin dictionnary 

Hartill  does not list all varieties sometimes

Alright thank you very much for your help. 🙏

gros

Hello

 

Could be 16.79 with the left hooked feet of the Bao

 

the indonesian copy are more in tin

and could be a Nagasaky trade  coin (often more dark metal than yours)

https://www.zeno.ru/search.php?searchid=424907

Good morning from Spain. 

I have been studying the type of calligraphy and, yes , could be a Nagasaki trade coin, “Tenseigenpo” . Let's invite @Idolenz and @Sakrificed to the conversation.

Hello

Didn't find this variation in the dictionnary of Chinese coin…

gros

Hello

Didn't find this variation in the dictionnary of Chinese coin…

Hi, probably couldn't be Chinese . 

I have been looking in Cast Chinese Coins by David Hartill but not match.  

This is my Chinese version of TianSheng Yuanbao 

I don't think that is from Nagasaki…

Sakrificed

I don't think that is from Nagasaki…

Thanks for commenting. 

I have just find the Nagasaki style and is too different. As you commented, is not from Nagasaki , 聖 is  very different. 

Not Japanese and not Chinese (not western Xian calligraphy) 

So What could be it's issuer? It's difficult.

Also I have been studying Zeno catalogue but not found.

A contemporary counterfait ?

gros

A contemporary counterfait ?

Umm, could be, yes . This week I'm going to receive this coin , so I will provide more details: diameter and weight for example and more pictures. 

N#355445

Una copia vietnamita?

jaucoin

N#355445

 

Una copia vietnamita?

Podría ser si , he perdido la moneda, me la han robado junto a otras, el sobre llegó vacío y cortado por un lado con navaja.  Es una gran pérdida , no pude sacar datos como peso y diámetro. También tenía piezas nuevas a registrar.

Tengo que revisar el 安南歴代钱考, es un estudio de la moneda vietnamita, y ver qué variantes hay.