Is this coin really still legal tender?

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I notice that this coin, as well as several other small-value Colombian coins, are listed as legal tender with a value showing in today's exchange rate against GBP (I'm a UK-based user).

Are these coins still legal tender?

I am well aware that such coins are of too small a value to be practically useful, but in theory they could still be accepted in banks like how in other countries there are coins worth 1/1000th of a U.S. cent etc.

 

I'd be interested to learn more!

Anthony Boys

They are completely useless but it seems only sub-peso issues were officially demonetised.

I am aware they are completely useless, but Numista shows 1c, 2c, 5c, 10c, 20c and 50c as having a currency value (strangely not the 25c).
And silver coins of centavo denominations are not showing a currency value.

I see many articles online saying centavos had stopped being issued to circulation in 1984, but the last mintage was before that year so maybe that is when they were withdrawn instead of just not being minted, and there was a translation error from Spanish to English?

 

So I guess from a theoretical point of view then, 1 Peso and above are still technically legal tender then.
Interesting!

Anthony Boys

https://www.banrep.gov.co/es/billetes-monedas/monedas-circulacion

 

If you know Spanish, find the answer on central bank site. Coins are probably demonetized and numista just does not have the date.

 

Wikipedia says that everything up to 20 pesos is demonetized, but there is no source.

 

Or 1 peso is legal tender and you just need 50 of them as prices are rounded to 50 pesos.

I had a look at the Central Bank site and it is not very comprehensive, with just pictures for the lower denominations, of the most recent types. Nothing written up about when (or even if) old denominations were withdrawn…

And you're right about other websites not having a source of information. This is a common problem that I find when I research currencies.

Anthony Boys

Alternative would be to email central bank and ask if they exchange old coins. They have whole pdf about exchanging money in Spanish.

In Colombia all paper notes and coins are still valid, so the old 1000 peso note and the large 50 peso coins can still be used and circulate. AFAIK the 20 peso and lower coins are found in the coin bins (2021 when I went), and the older coins are found in buckets. There is no official demonetization date for them. Only the old brass 1000 peso coins are no longer accepted.

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Interesting, never heard of coins in buckets. What is the significance of this?

I heard the old 1000 Peso coin is exchanged in the central bank?

Anthony Boys

https://www.banrep.gov.co/en/banknotes-coins/circulating-coins

At 4 million minted and an (theoretical) exchange rate of €0.00022 per Peso, if you owned all of the coins you could get €880 for them. But at 75% copper, I bet they would be worth more as scrap metal? Who wants to do the math for that…

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US $475,552.54 

 

Based on today's prices  Copper: $5.48 per Pound, Nickel: $6.55 per Pound   

 

But this is really backwards.  This would be the cost of the raw materials (copper and nickel) today to make Cu-Ni ingots to roll sheet metal to make coins.  Going backwards to turn coins into raw copper and raw nickel is involved and costly.

rsirian1

US $475,552.54 

 

Based on today's prices  Copper: $5.48 per Pound, Nickel: $6.55 per Pound   

 

But this is really backwards.  This would be the cost of the raw materials (copper and nickel) today to make Cu-Ni ingots to roll sheet metal to make coins.  Going backwards to turn coins into raw copper and raw nickel is involved and costly.

I wouldnt know the costs involved, however a quick Google search confirmed my assumption that the different metals have different melting points, so it wouldn’t be that hard to get a purer metal in liquid form of one or the other. Either way almost half a million US $ far out ways the actual value of the coins. Assuming you had the whole pot of over 4 million in your vault I’m sure someone would think it worthwhile. 500,000€ is worth about 2.23 Billion Colombian Peso$, which is at least 3 houses in the cities!

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No, the physics don't work that way.  The 75Cu-25Ni alloy is a single phase solid solution.  Raising the temperature to 1222°C (well above the melting point of copper and well below the melting point of nickel) will melt the alloy. It will still be a single phase liquid alloy.  

 

I'm pretty sure they dissolve all the metals and separate them out with electrolysis.

Dissolve the coins in what?  Link to this process?

 

Wouldn't it make more sense to just use them as scrap to make more Cu-Ni alloys?

Sorry, I mean that the dissolving is part of the electrolysis.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zU62hh3DBfg

 

And yes, for the alloy we're discussing, I would think just re-using it would be way more feasible.

Theoretically it might be more cost effective if the mint just used them as blanks and re-minted them, design a new coin same size and shape and re-use them. Then you would get some where the old design could be seen on the new coin. Collectors premium 😃

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Interesting video. Thanks.

 

That method probably is economical to recover gold and silver but probably is much more expensive recovering copper and nickel from coins than just making them from ores.

King

Theoretically it might be more cost effective if the mint just used them as blanks and re-minted them, design a new coin same size and shape and re-use them. Then you would get some where the old design could be seen on the new coin. Collectors premium 😃

Probably the best solution. Who doesn't like a 10 sided coin?

rsirian1

King

Theoretically it might be more cost effective if the mint just used them as blanks and re-minted them, design a new coin same size and shape and re-use them. Then you would get some where the old design could be seen on the new coin. Collectors premium 😃

Probably the best solution. Who doesn't like a 10 sided coin?

Exactly, and who doesn’t like the odd few showing up, when the dies have worn down or the press didn’t reach the desired pressure, with a big 1 or the Ear, Nose and chin of some long lost 60s portrait poking through the new design. It is exactly that, that would get more people into coin collecting than the collectors coins which are produced these days.

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