Seems a bit odd that the only way to categorise where these medals are from is ‘Unknown Country’, especially when we know exactly where they've been purchased from. Why?
But, I'm not trying to make it into a country. I'm just trying to allocate medals to it instead of them coming from ‘Unknown Country’ (just in case everyone's forgotten that this is Numista, not some sort of international governmental body). 🙂
My interpretation of the guidelines is that location should be USA, Switzerland, Austria or Kenya depending on which UN building sold this medal.
“in all other cases: the country of the issuing entity or, if there is no clear issuing entity, the country where the item was issued (the historical country, depending on the date of the item)”
Well - as I cautiously dip my toes into the water - Lombardo is “Canadian” and therefor Canada should be available as one of the issuers. Lombardo produced many UN medals for sale in the US and Canada (& possibly elsewhere). I just acquired one of the “Life Liberty Security of Person” medals in bronze. Similarly, the Wellings Mint - precurser to the Franklin Mint in Canada - produced several UN medals in 1970 for sale in Canada & the US.
"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."
Well, you previously posted that this option would be available at “Currently under Sweden, UK and the US”. It seems to me that the country that actually makes these medals should be part of that list. To me, it's very clear. The UN is not a country - agreed. They do not issue currency, but have been active in exonumia. IF this is an option that is going to be available to Sweden, UK and the US it seems like it should be available to Canada as well - we did make the medals after all.
"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."
This reply https://en.numista.com/forum/topic162794.html#p1259026 says the “location should be USA, Switzerland, Austria or Kenya depending on which UN building sold this medal.” I assume that's because the UN has presence in those countries. My reply of “Currently under Sweden, UK and the US.” was not meant as what should be but was is now. I'll let @Compendium take it from here.
I confirm mint's headquarters location should not ne used to determine location of exonumia items
Location on Numista does not refer to productions location
I agree, however - in the current version of the catalogue - we have “UN medals” with the location modifiers of Sweden (Sporrong & Co.) , United Kingdom (John Pinches set) and the United States (Franklin Mint set).
Your previous comment was that, “My interpretation of the guidelines is that location should be USA, Switzerland, Austria or Kenya depending which UN building sold this medal.”, fails to recognize Canada, where UN medals were both produced and sold by both Lombardo and Wellings (later to be Franklin) Mints. Perhaps there are examples of UN medals minted and sold in Switzerland, Austria or Kenya that I'm not familiar with (I really wouldn't know)?
In the same post, you stated, “in all other cases: the country of the issuing entity or, if there is no clear issuing entity, the country where the item was issued (the historical country, depending on the date of the item)”. So again, Canada would definitely apply here.
To wrap up, the argument could also be made that the “location” modifier should be open to any of the UN's 193 member states, but it's rather unlikely that most of them produced or sold medals with the UN logo (would the use of this have to be UN approved - I assume so) - which is what Canada's two private mints did.
"EVERY COIN IS CLEANED. CLEANING, THEREFORE, IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREE.
If you send a "dirty" coin into a grading service to be "conserved" and let them do the "conserving" they will charge you for their work CLEANING the coin ..."
