Add "Other" and "NGCX" in grade field for NGC [επιλυμένο]

Currently there is no option for “other” and “NGCX” which is necessary for the direct link to the certification to work. I believe when selecting a grade from NGC this should be available. As of right now I cannot properly link this certification to my coin through the new feature: Verify NGC Certification | NGC.

Hi T0r.  Yep, I can see where that would be an issue.  If you're referring to that specific coin (the one that received the "Shipwreck Effect" designation), there is a workaround I've discovered in order to get the hyperlink to work correctly on Numista for the time being.

For those coins, NGC intentionally does not straight grade them.  If you just plug in a random grade (say, “MS 60”) for that one and then complete the process, the hyperlink will work correctly on Numista.  I just added it under my own collection as a test and got it to work that way.  Yes, it's a little cumbersome.  Numista would have to create a generic plug value for the “Shipwreck Effect”, and then add “Shipwreck Effect” itself as an additional designation since NGC intentionally doesn't straight grade those coins on purpose.  I hope this makes sense.

NGCX slabs are a different matter, and I totally forgot about those.  Yep, Numista would have to add a new Grading entry to accommodate those.

Hello,

I added NGCX as a grading service. We can add more services (ANAC, Geni, etc.) later as needed.

Regarding the shipwreck not-graded coin, I added an option “None” in the list of grades for NGC. Selecting it will bring the link to the verification tool.

Xavier

Hello,

 

I added NGCX as a grading service. We can add more services (ANAC, Geni, etc.) later as needed.

 

Regarding the shipwreck not-graded coin, I added an option “None” in the list of grades for NGC. Selecting it will bring the link to the verification tool.

 

 

Hi.

By other I meant the option “other” on the verification tool for NGC. I think by adding a grade called “genuine” (or “other”) under NGC which use the /Other/ category for the direct link, will be the easiest and best solution. That will ensure that direct links works still. For shipwreck coins and some bulk submissions NGC only grade them as genuine. Effectively the same as "NGCX" option that you just added. The “other” category is NGC's catch-all for coins that neither get numerically graded, a details grade nor use NGCX or NGC ancients.

As far as I understand, “Other” is just a category in the selector of the NGC verification tool. It never appears on any slab, so I would prefer not including it on Numista.

I checked further about NGC shipwreck grading standards (https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/shipwreck-coin-certification/effect-designation.aspx) and I added “SHIPWRECK EFFECT” grades and “GENUINE”.
 

Xavier

As far as I understand, “Other” is just a category in the selector of the NGC verification tool. It never appears on any slab, so I would prefer not including it on Numista.

 

I checked further about NGC shipwreck grading standards (https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/shipwreck-coin-certification/effect-designation.aspx) and I added “SHIPWRECK EFFECT” grades and “GENUINE”.
 

I agree. That works great, thank you!

I guess another option would have been to add “NGC Shipwreck” as a certification service, and allow 2 different grades (similarly to NGC Ancient, which has 3 grades):

• Shipwreck effect: SHIPWRECK EFFECT (A), SHIPWRECK EFFECT (B), SHIPWRECK EFFECT (C), SHIPWRECK EFFECT (D), SHIPWRECK EFFECT (E), and SHIPWRECK EFFECT.
• Details grade: UNC, AU, XF, VF, F, VG, G

Just for the records, here are examples of coins graded as GENUINE by NGC for their normal service and their SHIPWRECK CERTIFICATION service.

And another example of SHIPWRECK CERTIFICATION but with a regular grade. Confusing…

I am really enjoying the addition of the third party grading info. I hope to see some other companies added as well. 

Which companies would you like to see added?

ANACS, GBCA, ICCS, ICG, PSA for sure. I'm sure there are probably others but these came to mind first. Thank you for all the improvements.  

PSA?  You mean (https://www.psacard.com) which grades sports cards?

They do coins and tokens also. 

I didn't know that.  I've always just thought of sports cards when I hear PSA.

I would like to request that Legacy Currency Grading (https://legacygrading.com) be added to Numista's TPG fields for certified bank notes when the time comes.  I use the words "when the time comes" because they haven't connected their certification database to their website just yet.  But they're working on it.  I spoke with them on the phone yesterday about providing an online verification tool since I own a banknote that they certified.  They don't have an estimate for when their online verification tool will be up and running.  But I will post back when I hear something. 

The holder looks like a PCGS.

Thanks for the pictures.  I've never seen those before.

Dotson

ANACS, GBCA, ICCS, ICG, PSA for sure. I'm sure there are probably others but these came to mind first. Thank you for all the improvements.  

Regarding ICCS (https://iccscoin.ca) above, I just wanted to humbly point out that they do not have an online verification tool on their website.  So Numista doesn't have the ability to provide a link to any details for certified coins by ICCS.   I spoke with ICCS on the phone this morning and they said that if someone wants to verify their certification number/information, the company can try and look it up and give an answer over the phone.   I asked them if they plan on implementing an online verification tool in the future and they said that they may consider it, but they aren't currently working on it.  For those not familiar with this company, this is a TPG based in Canada which specializes in certifying Canadian coins, although they do grade coins from other countries as well.

There is another well known Canadian TPG:   CCCS (https://cccs.co).  This company does provide an online verification tool on their website.  I don't know if there's any interest in linking to that one or not.  But I just thought that I would bring it up for anyone who may already have Canadian coins certified by them.

It seems that this post have turned into a general conversation of what grading companies should be added to the new feature. I do think that Numista should be a bit careful about lending its legitimacy to certain companies. For starters I think NGC, PCGS, CAC, ANACS and ICG is fair. Those are the biggest ones and the most respected. For other companies I think it needs to be thoroughly considered as there are hundreds of grading companies out there; a majority which are bogus and borderline scams. I do think it could hurt Numista's reputation by including them.

True.   Many of the big auction houses only support a short list of TPG's.  Even eBay supports a short list:  NGC, PCGS, ANACS, ICG, PMG, CAC, ICCS, Legacy Currency Grading .  

(Source URL:  https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/collectible-currency-policy?id=4337#)

For a coin website like Numista which focuses on collectors and research, it may be difficult to come up with an "exclusive list" because one risks offending some of the members.  If Numista does restrict the TPG's to a short list, I would recommend that a guidelines page be written so that members can read a summary of why only certain TPG's are supported and some are not.  One idea would be to create an approved list based on what a majority of auction houses support.  Having said that, some members might push back saying that they collect what they like and simply don't care which TPG's an auction house supports.  Other ideas are welcome.

TonyCoins

True.   Many of the big auction houses only support a short list of TPG's.  Even eBay supports a short list:  NGC, PCGS, ANACS, ICG, PMG, CAC, ICCS, Legacy Currency Grading .  

(Source URL:  https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/collectible-currency-policy?id=4337#)

 

For a coin website like Numista which focuses on collectors and research, it may be difficult to come up with an "exclusive list" because one risks offending some of the members.  If Numista does restrict the TPG's to a short list, I would recommend that a guidelines page be written so that members can read a summary of why only certain TPG's are supported and some are not.  One idea would be to create an approved list based on what a majority of auction houses support.  Having said that, some members might push back saying that they collect what they like and simply don't care which TPG's an auction house supports.  Other ideas are welcome.

It's not about offending members. The new feature is already a bonus and a courtesy. Before the new feature I had the grade, company and certificate written on the coin's comments. That is possible with any other company as well. I would really advocate against Numista sacrificing its credibility and reputation in a hopeless pursuit of trying to satisfy every single member; it's never going to happen anyway. Not legitimizing unpredictable and dishonest companies by including them is important.

I agree that not every member can be satisfied.  I was looking at it more from a research standpoint.  Just because Numista provides a link, I don’t perceive that as an endorsement but rather as a point of documentation.  I believe that it’s the individual’s job to do their own DD (due diligence) for making a purchasing decision.  Having said that, I do like the idea of a limited list.

Thank you for your inputs. I'll a few more grading companies. Coins graded by other companies can still be denoted in one of the comment fields.

I just added ANACS. I probably miss many designations (superlatives), as I could not find any list. Feel free to share with me any missing designation.

Thanks, Xavier.  ANACS lists their designations on their FAQ page, but it's buried way down the page under the heading labeled "What superlative designations does ANACS use when it grades a coin?" on this page:  https://anacs.com/faqs

It looks like you only missed:  

• FSB (Full Split Bands)
• UDM (Ultra Deep Mirror Proof-Like).

Just a side note for people who may not be familiar with ANACS:  ANACS will straight grade coins (assign a numerical grade) even if it receives a Details grade.  The Big 3 TPG's won't do that.

Thank you, I added FSB and UDM.

I still added details grade such as “AU DETAILS” for older slabs such as the following one. There is no dedicated field to store the “net” grade: it can be entered as a comment.

For more recent details slabs, you can select the exact grade, and select “DETAILS” in the designations.

There are a couple of nice European grading companies too, even if they are tiny compared to PCGS and NGC.
https://www.classicalcoingrading.com/
https://geni.live/ 

Thanks for sharing those, Xavier.  What I find intriguing is that both of those European grading companies use the Sheldon scale.  When I first joined Numista I noticed a lot of push back regarding the Sheldon scale.  In fact, one Numista Catalog referee proclaimed:  “This is a world site, basically no one outside of North America cares about the Sheldon scale.”

• Geni:  "Les notes sont attribuées à partir de l'échelle de Scheldon, grade de 1 à 70."
• Classical Coin Grading:  "The grading scale adopted by Classical Coin Grading is based on the Sheldon scale, international measure for the conservation states of coins around the world. The Sheldon scale is applied to ancient and modern coins considering the peculiarities of the reference issues."

Just thinking to myself . . . are these isolated cases (or) a paradigm shift?

I feel that the market of third-party grading is so much dominated by PCGS and NGC that it would be difficult for a new company to make something completely different. The Sheldon scale is the expected scale for people who like grading coins, and who will necessarily compare with PCGS and NGC. By the way, LCGS has a different scale from 0 to 100. 

The sentence "basically no one outside of North America cares about the Sheldon scale” is probably still true to some extent. Third-party grading is still not as popular in Europe as it is in the USA, and the Sheldon scale is practically never used outside of the context of third-party grading.

Hello,

I just added the possibility to add grading information from ICG.

The current list of supported third-part grading services is:

• NGC (including NGC Ancient and NGCX)
• PCGS (including PCGS Banknote)
• PMG
• CAC
• ANACS
• GENI
• ICG