KENNEDY 1964 WITH 2 ACCENTED HAIR FEATURES

Dear Sr/Ma’am, i wanted to show you my coin id kept because i suspected that it has Two(2) major features of the “accented hair” variety. Namely the 1. straight “G” , and the “brokensun rays” .somehow the “hair seems to look like too.. Would this be a sub-variant? Kindly hep me find an answer to my inquiry.

thank tou very much.

The Accented Hair variety only occurred on Proofs. Proofs were only made in the Philadelphia Mint and did not have a mint mark. Yours is not a Proof.

yes sir, i fully understand that and i know it comes from a proof coin. Its the reason why i raise this inquiry. Why would such a non-proof coin contain 2 if i not mistaken, 2 significant features of that accented variety? I have compared that coin to the same 1964 silver coin and find out that it doesnt have the features that my coin have. Theres something different on my coin . thank you for considering my view.

I am not claiming that my coin is an accented hair variety like the proof coin. What i am trying to figure out is why my coin contain at least 2 significant featured of that accented variety Namely the broken sun ray and a straight G. Which i couldnt find on another 1964 silver kennedy coin. Thanks again Sir.

Rather than asking us to guess exactly what you're talking about, can you mark up your pictures and these of the normal and accented hair proofs showing us how yours is not like the normal but rather like the accented hair?

Thank you sir. Im not literate on using computer tools but i have save a photo pertaining to my claim..perhaps it will make myself clearer.

The picture was my file. Those were the features of an accented hair variety and mine has them. if im not mistaken they really look like the same . thanks again.

I am sorry but I'm still not understanding those two features you are questioning. Here are the same areas on normal and accentuated hair varieties. What difference do you see?

I think it will be much cleare if i send another photo from my file but it originally from numista.

That is what i see. A comparative photo between a normal coin and a proof coin accented hair variety. 
 

That's not from Numista. Those types of minor varieties can be found on non-accented hair regular circulation coins.  Here are two examples:

It's wrong to equate that difference to just accented hair variety. Your coin is just a normal circulation strike.

Sir, i thank you deeply for digging down to my inquiry. I truly respect and appreciate the judgement. I now fully understand everyrhing. Please accept my respect  and thanks.

🤦🏻 hahaha OP I feel your pain, I have one of these as well, and the same responses happened when I've asked about it in other forums. Also, I just looked, the regular circ 64 has full rays and unbroken beams, so the question remains, WTF is this thing. Someday we'll know….

Hello friend…yes, a bit sad…i thought i’ve hit a jackpot ha ha ha…they dont seem to rely on others data sometimes….anyway, some details are quite clear and proven to them..

thanks for sharing….

Greetings, @ABBE and @skydog71.   TPG's (Third Party Grading companies) do not recognize your example as a variety.  In fact, it's not even listed on CONECA for the 1964-D Kennedy Half.  See for yourself:  https://www.conecaonline.info/kennedy-half-dollar/?wpv_post_search=1964-D

However, if you feel that everyone else is wrong and that you actually have something, you can submit pictures of your coin to CONECA so that they can evaluate it.  Spoiler alert:  it's been 62 years and no legitimate sources recognize this as a variety.

Hello my good Sir. Maybe i was misinterpreted when i say my source isnt reliable. What i mean there is that i understand that you have your standards and much reliable data sources compared to the article that i have read which misleads me too.

i accepted the judgement fully. And lastly i never and can never point anyone of being wrong.

my apology on this matter.

thanking you all again.

No worries, ABBE.  For clarity, you have posted about this multiple times.  See here:  https://en.numista.com/forum/topic168015.html#p1287815

I'm just raising awareness that if you find it necessary to keep bringing this up, then perhaps you should submit pictures to CONECA and let us know what they say.

Yes my good Sir, its what happens. I posted it without remembering that i have submitted it already before.

a member already caught my attention about it.

this may be the reason why you feel im pushing it.

its an unintentional mistake on my part.

again, my apology.

Hi  everyone.

I think this is a type 2 obverse / type 1 reverse.

Anacs used to grade them as “ transitional variety” . Years ago NGC was considering  grading them as a variety.

Hope this helps.

I checked the POP's on ANACS and there's no mention.  Also, I don't see this on the NGC census.

One more tip:  it doesn't appear in the CPG either.  Note, CPG = Cherry Picker's Guide.  TPG's usually honor varieties included in the CPG.

Anacs 1964 d Kennedy half

Variety RDV 001 straight g

Are these supposed to be hyperlinked? 

That's the description on the slab , it's anacs 

Gotcha.  I just found it on the ANACS website.  Here's the population report from ANACS:

It looks like they've graded a total of 15.  I contacted ANACS and asked them about it.  They said that they are still accepting this as a variety which is interesting.  Of course, an additional variety fee of $14 applies.

My good Sir, if i may, does this uncovered info has something to do with my inquiry? I mean, does it applies to too regular strike kennedy 1964 coins with those features? The straight G? Or an added feature only on proof coins again?

thanking you all again.

Hi ABBE.  It turns out that I was wrong when I said that no TPG’s  recognize this variety.  It appears that ANACS recognizes it.  This applies to the 1964-D circulation strike that you currently have.   I don’t believe that the big 3 grading companies (PCGS, NGC, or CAC) recognize this variety.  But one could argue that something is better than nothing.

hello again my good Sir, having confirmed such issues, would there be sort of recognition of it on  the catalog? I agree that at least even one could vouch for its existence.

my appreciation & thanks again.

Hi ABBE.  I'm not a Numista referee, but I'm pretty sure the answer is going to be a hard “no”.  There are many thousands of varieties for U.S. coins.  Most of them are purely novelties (to put it nicely).  However, the Accented Hair variety is a really big one that's well documented in trusted sources like the Cherry Picker's Guide.

i just thought that it could be an additional sigificant feature that serves & enhance the identity of the 1964 reg. strike kennedy coins on the catalog.

Anyway, i am just expressing my curiousity having  one of this subject. i am contented with the latest result and respects  the existing records.

my appreciation & thanks again ,My good Sir.

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i everyone.

Would like to explain anacs exists longer than both pcgs/ ngc/cac . All last 3 to me are money making business first , than graders second.

It's well known in the older numismatic community , that pcgs/ ngc were an elite club , were their rich buddies would get a more favourable grade , proof is they been caught out ,very often . Cac sticker on a pcgs/ ngc slab were bringing higher prices on big money auctions. CAC now gone solo. Some pcgs / cac sticker coins ben  taken out pcgs slab and sent to CAC for grading  ,80% + have come back from CAC with lower grades / lots unc cleaned . It's a big club and I am not in it.

If ABBE wants to pursue 1964 d Kennedy , I say we should support him in his endeavors as his variety came out +-2007 was appraised/ confirmed hence anacs accepting it as a variety 

Good luck ABBE

manny57

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i everyone.

Would like to explain anacs exists longer than both pcgs/ ngc/cac . All last 3 to me are money making business first , than graders second.

It's well known in the older numismatic community , that pcgs/ ngc were an elite club , were their rich buddies would get a more favourable grade , proof is they been caught out ,very often . Cac sticker on a pcgs/ ngc slab were bringing higher prices on big money auctions. CAC now gone solo. Some pcgs / cac sticker coins ben  taken out pcgs slab and sent to CAC for grading  ,80% + have come back from CAC with lower grades / lots unc cleaned . It's a big club and I am not in it.

If ABBE wants to pursue 1964 d Kennedy , I say we should support him in his endeavors as his variety came out +-2007 was appraised/ confirmed hence anacs accepting it as a variety 

Good luck ABBE

Nobody is restricting ABBA from submitting a change request to add a variety year line or document it in the comments section.  He obviously is free to do that as are you.  I would suggest the Comments section but that's up to you and/or ABBE.

I absolutely support ABBE submitting his request.  However, instead of taking an emotional path, I prefer a data driven approach.   One you submit the CR, you will be asked for supporting material.  Pause and think about what books, catalogs, and literature that might be.  Additionally, what about the other dozens of 1964 Kennedy Half Varieties that  also exist — should those be left out?   How many more year lines do you propose to flood the catalog with?

Hi.

My apologies as I thought ABBE just wanted some information on this specific variety.

Didn't notice was for a change on numista .

All replies seemed ,nobody knew this variety / doesn't exist etc . So reason why I gave my 2 cents .

Be safe everyone.

Thank you Manny!!!! 

Tony no one is lobbying for a new variety, it's just weird and he wanted to know if anyone had any info on it. Manny answered it. But I get it, gotta get your excitement wherever you can. jfc

Good evening everyone.

This WILL be my last post , about this variety.

I have been following this variety for +-18  years.

Controversy numismatic? Was how proof dies from Philadelphia ended up in Denver.

Fraud/  mints doing what they NOT supposed to do. Dies , once minting period done, are supposed to be cancelled. , but somehow proof dies found their way to Denver mint.

All proof details , Philadelphia dies are in very few Denver mint coins. Let's not forget ,, planchetts Denver , were not proof quality/ pressure, meaning some details were missing.

MY last 2 cents 

Greetings and well wishes to all.   I would like to humbly point out that the main concern is this:  what is the benchmark for validating U.S. coin varieties on Numista?

If a submitter can't provide supporting literature/documentation for their variety submission, does it make business sense for a Numista referee to approve it merely as a token gesture of "recognition"?

More to the point, if one (and only one) Coin grading company is willing to slab a certain coin for variety attribution, does that alone legitimize it for approval on Numista?  If your answer to this question is "Yes", then who gets to decide which grading company is bestowed with such honor?  (Pause and think about that for a moment.) There have been hundreds of grading companies, and I've been collecting U.S. coins before any of them even existed.  I don't have a personal beef against ANACS.  But ask any U.S. coin dealer about ANACS's industry reputation (especially for over grading coins), and you will find less of a data driven reason to trust them at the exclusion of all others.

This is my last post on the matter.

Dear ABBE and skydog71,

Numista has a wonderful way for a member to get themself recognized. It's called Register a new example.  Add pictures of your coin and in the comment section describe the variant.  Then it will exist on the coin page forever under your name and help people looking for the same variant.  Your turn to step up and help yourself.

Good day, gentlemen, I've been following the discussion here about the 1964 half dollar. I'm new here. I found one in a drawer, but I don't see any significant differences. Is it simply worth its silver value? Or what do the experts think?Grüße aus Deutschland

Looks fake.  Diameter and weight?

Diameter 30 mm, weight 12-13 grams. Measured with a ruler. I don't have coin scales, only kitchen scales.

Maybe just the pictures. Try taking more pictures under different lighting.  Or maybe it's just been overly polished.

My father, who was a captain in the sixties, brought that with him.

OK. Those pictures look better. In that condition melt value only considering the high melt value today.

Thanks