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Good day,

is there anyone who could help me understanding which mint is this coin and those of this set in cupronickel as in this website it is only mentioned Birmingham, however nothing is said in case mintmark is missing…I'd like to check also in the local catalogue “Metalni Novac Srbije, Crne Gore I Jugoslavije” but it is impossible to find it where I live

Thank you in advance to everyone who could help by replying,

P.

Only the 1884 has a mint mark, and that's valid for all the 1884 coins, the other years do not have a mint mark!

Here you can see the MM:

Sjoelund

Only the 1884 has a mint mark, and that's valid for all the 1884 coins, the other years do not have a mint mark!

 

Here you can see the MM:

 

Ok…should then I assume that coins without letter "H" were still minted in Heaton?

That is a good question😉 

Personally I don't think you can deduct that, since Heaton loved to put their “H” on all coins they minted for many different countries, so I presume, the other years were minted elsewhere, but I (and obviously Numista) don't know where.

Numista tells us only this

@mikimaus  might know it as a referee to Serbia?

I believe maybe Paris except no privy mark.

I expect not Heaton. As Sjoelund said they usually used a mint mark, and switching from no mint mark to a mint mark and back is unusual.

KM lists Gorham Manufacturing Company as the 1917 mint – I submitted change requests for the 5, 10, and 20 Para coins to add that information.

I doubt it would be Paris, considering they loved to put mint letters or signs on every coin…personally I would consider Vienna or Kremnica but for these we should also consider that the coins above mentioned were minted till 1917 in the middle of WW I and with Serbia fighting against Austria-Hungary hence the riddle keeps on existing.

These are the mints SCWC lists for that time period:

Pre 1901:

Post 1900:

So Gorham looks right.

rsirian1

These are the mints SCWC lists for that time period:

Pre 1901:

Post 1900:

So Gorham looks right.

 

 

does this mean that a para coin before 1900 without any mark is to be considered Paris then? Before opening this post I checked several pictures in the web and beside Heaton mark I couldn't see any of those coins with letter A,V or BP (in Cyrillic) on the reverse… 

For me, it's rather unclear as well. On the other hand, when no mint mark or other marks are present, then you have to find the mintage in a ledger of a mint, or in a bill paid by the Serbian government concerning those coins.

Anything else is just guess work or hearsay🤐

Pannonicus

 

does this mean that a para coin before 1900 without any mark is to be considered Paris then?

Let's not guess. All the mints have a letter or in case of Paris a privy mark. These particular para coins have no marks at all (except of H for Heaton), so we just can't know for sure where they are minted. It's better to have no information on the coin page than faulty information. Schön often gives information about the Mints but for these coins they give nothing.

Unless someone has access to the catalog OP mentioned, we don't know for sure:

Here's the PDF, the 10 para is on page 11 but it's written in Cyrillic and I can't read it (or copy it to use in Google translate). Anyone who can read Cyrillic can check if there's any information about the Mint they were struck?

https://www.scribd.com/document/95737193/Novac-Srbije-Crne-Gore-i-Jugoslavije-1868-1941

Hi

I only have paperback Viščević 2007 1st Ed. The Guide to Coins and Banknotes of Yugoslavia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. This Guide has a very basic picture of the coin, which does not help further. But, here are the years and mints (according to Viščević):
1883 Vienna (regular)

1884 Birmingham (regular and Proof)

1912 Vienna (regular and Proof)

1917 Gorham (regular and Proof)

Viščević in 2007 has no mention of 1904 mintage.  I would send the picture of the page 236, but there is a copyright obstacle.

Viščević also mentions Mandić cat. IV page 38 (for 1883/1884) and cat. IV page 50 (1912/1917), where it is explained over trial strikes and other varieties. This is all I can help. I do not have this exact Mandić Catalogue.

LP

Thanks a lot,

at least you can enter that in the coin page already ?

Sjoelund

Thanks a lot,

 

at least you can enter that in the coin page already ?

I am working currently on Čop Catalogue and adding data on whole sections. I am reluctant to add data from Viščević 1st edition, because the second one is massively updated and would probably better to add only from second issue. Sadly I do not have second one in paper, hard to get. Will do, one day…

Hi,

that's fine, Rome was not built in one day either…..

Take your time.

mikimaus

Hi

 

I only have paperback Viščević 2007 1st Ed. The Guide to Coins and Banknotes of Yugoslavia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. This Guide has a very basic picture of the coin, which does not help further. But, here are the years and mints (according to Viščević):
1883 Vienna (regular)

1884 Birmingham (regular and Proof)

1912 Vienna (regular and Proof)

1917 Gorham (regular and Proof)

 

Viščević in 2007 has no mention of 1904 mintage.  I would send the picture of the page 236, but there is a copyright obstacle.

 

Viščević also mentions Mandić cat. IV page 38 (for 1883/1884) and cat. IV page 50 (1912/1917), where it is explained over trial strikes and other varieties. This is all I can help. I do not have this exact Mandić Catalogue.

 

LP

Thank you for the catalogue reference, finally I was able to buy a pdf edition of the catalogue and I can also check by myself the information which is quite accurate and reliable! I consider at this point the question resolved and I already entered the request to enter the information amendment on the page of these three fascinating coins!