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So I got this coin (1991)…

(my photo)

…but I couldn't find any variants on Numista that have this exact symbol type - The A being close to the leaf and the second symbol being neither A or B, and also being far from the A. All the others either have AA or AB that are either close or far from the leaf, none of them have it like this.

The only thing I could find of it on the internet is this ebay listing that looks exactly like mine (the one on the listing is also 1991):

(zoom screenshot from the listing)

However, the reference numbers on the listing lead to the normal, usual variant of this coin and I don't know if I should add it or if it's already added but not labeled well enough for me to find. It's hard to believe that such a (I assume) widely-issued coin wouldn't already be on Numista, that's why I'm asking here first before deciding to add it myself.

Help would be appreciated.

Alex Gloveli

Ucoin has two 1991 ABs. Both seem to be the same as yours. Can you post a picture of the other variant? 

 

Don't those two look the same from the pictures? Also, the second symbol, whatever it is, doesn't look like neither A nor B. Those are probably incorrectly added.

Alex Gloveli

They look just like yours.  I believe the top of the B is missing because of a week strike (very evident in the picture you posted from ebay). I could be wrong.

 

 

My question was can you post of one you found with AB that are either close or far from the leaf?

 

@MMowiec  ?

This anomoly could be explained as being caused by a worn die or a greased filled die for instance. Anomolies on 2 coins that have been in circulation for 30+ years does not constitute a variant. A true variant would have been caught by collectors decades ago. 

@rsirian1  Oooohh, you're right, it really is just the bottom half of a B. As for your question, I found these ones with the AB that's far from the leaf (some of the pictures on it):

The AB is much smaller in one of them, weirdly (they are both from 2003 as indicated in the pictures next to those on the site, which is a little strange, considering it's the same year, but that's besides our conversation).

Alex Gloveli

Just to clarify, the two you just posted are 2003 and not 1991? If so then the answer is there are not two variants for 1991.

Sorry, accidentally clicked “Send” before finishing the post. I wanted to say that I couldn't find one with AB being close to the leaf in any year, and while I could find ones that had it far from the leaf, none of them was from 1991. It seems that that all the 1991 AB coins have one with that half B. I'm sorry I was mistaken.

Alex Gloveli

rsirian1

Just to clarify, the two you just posted are 2003 and not 1991? If so then the answer is there are not two variants for 1991.

Yep, yep, sorry sorry, I was just writing a reply to that.

Alex Gloveli

No need to be sorry. I enjoyed the investigation.

Thank you.

Alex Gloveli

Yes, definitly weak strike of AB die letter. I don't have 1991 yearline so cannot say if all have this feature but it happens from time to time.

 

For different years, the die letters are vrequently different, sometimes letters are high, sometimes are small, sometimes are diagonally aligned, sometimes are in line. And sometimes Pobjoy Mint used different dies even they called them with the same letters. I don't know why they used sometimes new dies with different letters (AA, AB, AC, AD…) and sometimes used multiple dies with constantly AA (I guess the record is for the Isle of Man 50p 1997 with motorcycle - the yearline that diameter changed and huge amount of new circulation coins needed to be minted - even all coins have AA letters, the Southal catalogue shows 31 different variants, I'm able to distinguish only few because differences are very minor but they are).

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