The information on Numista is wrong concerning the difference between the Shenyang and Shanghai mint. There is a significant difference.
Shanghai mint
Shenyang mint
Also the 2 fen 1971 (never seen one and according to Chinese catalogs non-existant) and 5 fen 1975 is non-existant (also according to Chinese catalogs) , this is a Krause mistake.
A very nice, clear to see differences, but what about this:
Shenyang
Shanghai
One day, when I find the time, I'll go through all my 1, 2 and 5 fen coins, looking for your easy to see differences and check them against the leaf angles, maybe the leaf angles have only to do with stylized and not writings and not at all with the mints?
I have some questions based on weepio's breakdown of mint years.
Are the comments in Numista related to the Mint? At first the comment Modern letters seems to be associated with the Shenyang mint and the comment Stylized letters, different font with the Shanghai mint but doesn't hold true for the later dates.
1979 has both Modern letters and Stylized letters, different font but only the Shenyang mint made those. Did they make both varieties?
1983 has both Modern letters and Stylized letters, different font but only the Shanghai mint made those. Did they make both varieties?
Overlap circulating coin years are 1974, 1976, 1978, 1980, 1982 but the graphic only says 1980 and 1982 for overlap.
Well I feel better being confused as apparently everyone else is, too. I noticed the new graphic has been published. Probably should change the years vs. mints?
I made this based on weepio's breakdown of mint years if it helps.
I understand that. I was talking about the graphic saying overlapping circulation years are only 1980 and 1982 whereas weepio's breakdown says 1974, 1976, 1978, 1980 and 1982.
1974/1976/1978/1980/1981(proof only)/1982/1983/1984/1985(proof only)/1992-2000 set only
Underlined (above) are circulation coins listed for both mints. Dates in red boxes (below) are circulation coins listed for both mints. There were no proofs made by either mint in 1974, 1976 and 1978.
That's right, but I still have a feeling, that we don't know either if we can distinguish the two mints for all the mentioned years! Stalemate. The 1980 and 1982 are the only years in which the mentioned differences between them have been proven.
I agree. We don't know more than we know. Every coin picture on Ucoin for 1974, 1976 and 1978 looks like the Shanghai mint. Of course that's not an exhaustive search.
This is what I have (or should have, the 1992 seems to have gone astray). In my collection, I have no notion of the modern or stylized scripts…
I'll make individual images of each year and both sides, and then we'll see, if we learn anything new. It'll take some time, since my Chinese coins are not put aside by denomination, nor year.
I looked at the history of the coin page. The earliest I found was from March 2012. All the same year line comments were already there. 2012-2018 had not yet been added of course.
I've been doing research on this since August, but hadn't posted anything yet as I hadn't reached any conclusions and am still asking questions to a couple coins shops in China.
Regarding 1979 having both Modern Letters and Stylized Letters for 1 Fen, that's due to a CR I made a few weeks ago, due to coming across pictures of both versions existing.
I believe I found a couple other examples of both variations existing but didn't make a CR yet. I'll check my notes to make sure I'm not misremembering.
Edit:
Here's an example for 1983 2 Fen as well, both variations exist (though not mentioned on Numista yet):
I've been taking photos with my microscope of all my 1 , 2 & 5 fen coins from 09:00 & up to now (15:30)! I even straightened and cropped all the 1 fen images. Now I have to take the background away of 73 images, but that'll wait for tomorrow, sorry, but my mouse hand (the right) is tired🤨
The coin's face value is written as "壹分" (pinyin: yī fēn), Chinese for "one fen", on a single line in the center of the reverse. The character style of this inscription depends on the manufacturing mint: a "modern" style is used on pieces minted in Shenyang while a more "stylized" character style is utilized on coins struck in Shanghai. Engraved above this text is another representation of the coin's face value, the Western Arabic numeral "1", and surrounding both values is a wreath consisting of tied ears of rice. The appearance of the rice slightly differs between coins struck at Shanghai and Shenyang. The Gregorian date of minting appears below the grain, where it is curved in a counterclockwise direction along the coin's lower rim.
Awesome quality Ole! What exact equipment do you use? Can you take a picture of your set-up? I've been looking for a good way to photograph my collection, but haven't found anything yet that satisfies my needs! :-)
I bought mine some years ago for around 200 euro. For normal images it's faster to use my Nikon Coolpix camera, since it's always around, and the microscope, has to be taken out of a cupboard and connected to my PC, but for all my fen coins, it was much faster and really, the results are convincing.
I bought mine some years ago for around 200 euro. For normal images it's faster to use my Nikon Coolpix camera, since it's always around, and the microscope, has to be taken out of a cupboard and connected to my PC, but for all my fen coins, it was much faster and really, the results are convincing.
Hi Ole, Did you notice that your 1961 coin has doubling on the date and value. From what i can see on the obverse the gear teeth on top seam different. Some show some of the teeth covered by the ribbon. And some show just the beginning of a tooth.
edit your 1971 may have a small amount of doubling too
Hi Ole, Did you notice that your 1961 coin has doubling on the date and value. From what i can see on the obverse the gear teeth on top seam different. Some show some of the teeth covered by the ribbon. And some show just the beginning of a tooth.
Thanks, yes, I did yesterday, it's even a beautiful example. I made a note in my head to note it in my collection, which of course I forgot to do. Thanks for reminding me. You talk about age, but I also feel my 78.5 years in many ways. Noted now.
I have about 300 1, 2, and 5 Fen coins in my collection, and also have a microscope. However, due its magnification range and the sensor size of the camera I have for it, I can't fit the full coin in frame. I can still fit most relevant details though. I added below an example of what's visible of a 2007 1 Fen coin. Would it still be useful for me to take pictures of each coin, or is the cropping problematic?
This should be all coin existing. (Exept Proof coins, only 1981 proof is the only coin of that year I ever saw, no circulation coin. Not shure if the other coin exists)
If you have a Chinese catalog, it certainly helps, when you want to change the year lines in Numista, just join copies of the concerned pages. You should make those change requests, you know. We want to have a correct Numista.
for the 1 Fen comment pictures have not been updated In the French version. I went through 200+ coins yesterday. The second picture screen shot below can even be confusing.
always been surprised that comments are not automatically transferred across all languages options.
You're welcome to copy the modified graphics over to the French site. I only look after the English site…. Maybe the other new sites need to updated as well. I haven't got a clue about that.
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