Duplicates - Saxony pfennig by Frederick August I [επιλυμένο]

More duplicate stuff in Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth catalogue just cause ruler sits in more than one throne.

N#47138 

N#97036 

N#257595 - listed as variant in first line.

Moneta Saxonica. Coin itself tells that it is not Polish.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces97038.html 

N#188957  

Will follow with other dupes later as not to overload referees.

Just cause they circulated on territory of disintegrating Commonwealth does not make them Polish or Lithuanian. We do not have dollars listed as local currency in USSR.

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More duplicate stuff in Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth catalogue just cause ruler sits in more than one throne.

 

N#47138 

N#97036 

N#257595 - listed as variant in first line.

 

Moneta Saxonica. Coin itself tells that it is not Polish.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces97038.html 

N#188957  

 

Will follow with other dupes later as not to overload referees.

 

Just cause they circulated on territory of disintegrating Commonwealth does not make them Polish or Lithuanian. We do not have dollars listed as local currency in USSR.

Second one will be consolidated.  

Concerning the last comment, dollars did not bear the Russian coat of arms, nor were they circulating in USSR because U.S. government had closed the USSR mints.

Situation with Saxony and PLC was a bit different.  

You still follow Polish historical traditions of rewriting other people's history as your own. Your historians claim that Radwila The Black was Polish and Lithuanian despite dude being dead before the union. Just yesterday you had to delete bunch of Swedish and Estonian stuff cause Poles thought that they deserve their own copy. Every coin in Polish Lithuanian commonwealth catalogue is using Polish language despite catalogue being English one and referees refuse to remove polonization from title.

Those “Polish” halerz are using same design as Saxony pfennig was using before dude was elected to run the country. Coin is not Polish. Those fractional thalers are not Polish groschens. They are using Thaler name in coin lettering. Period Polish groschen were of copper kind.

1 Pfennig - Frederick August I 
1698-1733 
Standard circulation coin 
Billon • 0.38 g • ⌀ 13.1 mm

1 Pfennig - John George III 
1689-1691 
Standard circulation coin 
Billon • 0.39 g • ⌀ 14 mm

1 Pfennig - John George I 
1623-1654 
Standard circulation coin 
Silver • 0.35 g • ⌀ 13 mm

Those coins circulated in territory of commonwealth cause country was falling apart and people were using what ever stable currency was available around.

If you insist that  Frederick Augustus I stuff is Polish, you should also add coins of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to your catalogue cause current dude is 15 generations away from his relative Polish king and pagan bear.

The posts upthread show that pfennigs were being produced continuously in Saxony in the second half of the 17th century.  The same was true of dreiers and 1 groschen coins.

In the PLC, on the other hand, in the reign before Frederick (Sobieski 1676-1696), the smallest silver coin produced in significant quantity at the royal mints in Krakow and Bydgoszcz was the szostak which contained 1.2 grams  of fine silver.  Small change had not been produced in Polish mints since the early 1660s, and small change containing silver even earlier.

Frederick decided to not use the Polish mints used previously, but to supply the coinage needs of the PLC from the Dresden and Leipzig mints.

As shown earlier, he had coins produced with the legend MONETA SAXONICA which presumably were intended for circulation in Saxony.

,Would it not make sense that the coins with the prominent Polish-Lithuanian coat of arms on them have been intended to supply the small change needs of the PLC, which had more than 5 times the population of Saxony?  Rather than circulate in Saxony where people would have expected their coins to have the Saxony coat of arms?

Bump

@tdziemia can we close ?

Case closed. There is no way to prove that those pfennig/heller coins belong to Saxony. Numista information is not sufficient to prove that they conform to HRE imperial mintage standard.