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Does the coin colombia 100 pesos 1995 with small value exist? Who could give the pictures of this coin???

If it does, it hasn't been reported so far!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Ok, thanks! So why is this coin in catalogue? 100 pesos 1995 km#285.1

Maybe, mistake? Could you erase this one?

 

Best regards!!!

Please show it?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

No, the image please, numista is known to have errors, because no images were asked for during a certain period to prove changes! 

 

The image is needed, try to understand that hearsay is no proof of anything, and here I believe Numista is just transmitting a false Change Request as truth!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

No, the image please, numista is known to have errors, because no images were asked for during a certain period to prove changes! 

 

The image is needed, try to understand that hearsay is no proof of anything, and here I believe Numista is just transmitting a false Change Request as truth!

So you want him to proof that the coin doesn’t exist with a picture of that non-existing coin? ;-)

They say "Pecunia non olet", but I know better...

Ole?  This implies that 1994 and 1995 have both sizes.  Not your intent?

 

It's true I made that documentation and also that I submitted a CR accordingly. On the other hand, I also made this documentation about the different sizes of denominations some 10 years before, where I did not mention the year 1994 having both sizes.

Then in 2023 I made this one where the 1995 got included as having both as well, which is not what the KM catalog states. In my collection I don't have any 1995 with a small denomination! I cannot find any messages telling where the 1995 came into the documentation, but for me, it's now clear, that it 1995 (small) was never documented as existing, so I have to excuse myself and replace the documentation with this:

I will also make the CR to have the 1995 year line deleted, since it certainly was my fault it got created!

 

Sorry about this.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

It's true I made that documentation and also that I submitted a CR accordingly. On the other hand, I also made this documentation about the different sizes of denominations some 10 years before, where I did not mention the year 1994 having both sizes.

Then in 2023 I made this one where the 1995 got included as having both as well, which is not what the KM catalog states. In my collection I don't have any 1995 with a small denomination! I cannot find any messages telling where the 1995 came into the documentation, but for me, it's now clear, that it 1995 (small) was never documented as existing, so I have to excuse myself and replace the documentation with this:

I will also make the CR to have the 1995 year line deleted, since it certainly was my fault it got created!

 

Sorry about this.

I just checked my Monedas De Colombia book by Jorge Emilio Restrepo and he does not mention a small date for the 1995 100 peso.

Thanks for the confirmation. Where did you buy your catalog? 

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Thanks for the confirmation. Where did you buy your catalog? 

A few years ago on eBay. It's a great resource for Columbia.

Good evening,

 

In looking into this request, it appears that more than 700 members claim to have the small date variant of 1995. While it may be members who didn't really measured or measured erroneously, it is still a large number who claim to have it. 

 

Before requesting the yearline be deleted, let me double check a little more. 

 

thanks, 

 

John.

I would expect that most of those 700 are users who did not know, or were not interested in, the difference between the varieties and so just chose the first option. I've never found any evidence of 1995 coins with the small value existing in my research, either.

Good evening,

 

Of all the people contacted, no one replied with the small value/small date Variant. 

 

However, @KennyG did provide what looks like a large value/small date one:

 

not the same year…..

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

not the same year…..

Not sure I understand. We are speaking about the 1995 variants, right?

 

He sent a photo of two coins, a 1994 (for comparison) and a 1995 he classified as small date. Since there was no large value/small date, he put it in the 1995 small value/small date line.

 

Would you consider that one a 1995 small date variant?

Please understand the definitions of the 100 pesos 1994 and 1995 as given by SCWC

The 1994 can either be a km285.1 or km285.2, which differs by the size of the denomination.

 

The 1995 always has a small date, so again numista got it wrong, there is no variant 1995 large date!

 

Take care

Ole

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Jasanche

Sjoelund

not the same year…..

Not sure I understand. We are speaking about the 1995 variants, right?

 

He sent a photo of two coins, a 1994 (for comparison) and a 1995 he classified as small date. Since there was no large value/small date, he put it in the 1995 small value/small date line.

 

Would you consider that one a 1995 small date variant?

The numerals on both the 1994 and 1995 coins in the picture are 6 mm tall.  That makes them both KM# 285.2.

 

 

Sjoelund

Please understand the definitions of the 100 pesos 1994 and 1995 as given by SCWC

The 1994 can either be a km285.1 or km285.2, which differs by the size of the denomination.

 

The 1995 always has a small date, so again numista got it wrong, there is no variant 1995 large date!

 

Take care

Ole

Well, then I need to change the yearline comment that says large value/ small date.

From there, I'll request moving the users from the other line and delete it.

Sounds correct to me, if we can believe SCWC, which I think is OK this time!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Completed

Thanks

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Jasanche

Completed

@Jasanche  @Sjoelund 

 

Sorry but I still don't understand the “large date” and “small date” especially on the 1994 coins.  The date is the same size regardless of the numeral height.

 

SCWC never mentioned small or large dates in any of the year lines, so it certainly was a fantasy from the copier of SCWC towards Numista, mistaking denomination with DATES? So the dates should be left out of the numista year lines!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Agree.  For years other than 1994 there are no coin varieties and 1994 varieties only have one size date.  So, date size is really meaningless.  I propose to clean up the year line comments like this:

 

And adding in the Comment section:

 

KM# 285.1 - Denomination numerals 6.0mm tall

KM# 285.2 - Denomination numerals 4.5mm tall

 

I don't know what the Restrepo#445 numbers represent so I left them on the year line comments.

rsirian1

Agree.  For years other than 1994 there are no coin varieties and 1994 varieties only have one size date.  So, date size is really meaningless.  I propose to clean up the year line comments like this:

 

And adding in the Comment section:

 

KM# 285.1 - Denomination numerals 6.0mm tall

KM# 285.2 - Denomination numerals 4.5mm tall

 

I don't know what the Restrepo#445 numbers represent so I left them on the year line comments.

I agree with this. If there is no variation in the years (unless the same year has small and large date variants, the distinction is not needed).

 

With this level of variants and combinations, I tend to defer to the experts like @Sjoelund  who have dealt with them for years.

 

I'll make the updates as soon as I have a few minutes.

 

John

I think the large and small date are comparing the size of the dates on 1994 and 1995 coins. It's interesting to compare, but not really relevant information for catalogging purposes since they don't vary within a single year.

sorry iam late . Been reading. I found a bag of about 100 coins of this km.  On the 1993 i found 17 coins. Of the 17 coins 3 were small value, and 14 had the large value. Dates small value had large dates and large value all had small dates. On the 1995 i found 18 coins. All had large value and small dates. Not sure if this helps. Yours daryl

It is, what it is, or is it.

ALLRED1950

sorry iam late . Been reading. I found a bag of about 100 coins of this km.  On the 1993 i found 17 coins. Of the 17 coins 3 were small value, and 14 had the large value. Dates small value had large dates and large value all had small dates. On the 1995 i found 18 coins. All had large value and small dates. Not sure if this helps. Yours daryl

Always helps to get confirmation and to hear from you, Sir. Thank you!

 Thank you. Iam still getting everything sorted out again. When i got mad an quite i just dumped everything in bags and jars. Mexico i still have not even looked at. Dumped all my old pesos in a big bag. That 15 pounds i still have to look at. Colombia still have a bag of 5 pounds.  

It is, what it is, or is it.

ALLRED1950

sorry iam late . Been reading. I found a bag of about 100 coins of this km.  On the 1993 i found 17 coins. Of the 17 coins 3 were small value, and 14 had the large value. Dates small value had large dates and large value all had small dates. On the 1995 i found 18 coins. All had large value and small dates. Not sure if this helps. Yours daryl

Will you please post pictures of your 1993 with different denomination sizes and different date sizes?  I looked at 14 1993's and all had small (4.5mm) denomination sizes and all the dates were the same size.

 

@ALLRED1950 

Sorry i miss up big time/ Iam still not able to put images up.

1992 2 coins

1993 14 coins

1994 18 coins

1995 16 coins

2006 6 coins

2007 4 coins

2008 11 coins

2009 5 coins

2010 16 coins

2011 6 coins

2012 2 coins

  What i missed up on was 1993. All small value and small date. 

1994 3 small values small dates, 14 large value large dates. 

1995 large value ,large date.

I seam to not have a 1993 large value large date. I know better then to post something after working 10 hours, please forgave me. 

It is, what it is, or is it.

ALLRED1950

Sorry i miss up big time/ Iam still not able to put images up.

I seam to not have a 1993 large value large date. I know better then to post something after working 10 hours, please forgave me. 

Absolutely no problem.  Your data corroborates the changes we had decided needed to be made.  Thanks for looking!

 

And as I just found out everyone screws up sometimes.

 

@Jasanche  I got them backwards. The comment should have been:

 

KM# 285.1 - Denomination numerals 4.5mm tall

KM# 285.2 - Denomination numerals 6.0mm tall

 

Sorry! And thanks for making the changes.

Daryl,

 

you're just getting older like me, that's normal, I reckon?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Ok. I have made the updates. Please let me know if anything further is needed.

 

Thank you all for your input and patience.

 

John

Looks good. Thanks.

 Yes Ole Iam an old fart. The brain was faster than my fingers. 

It is, what it is, or is it.
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