⭐ Changes in the catalogue categories [επιλυμένο]

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Im happy to see that changes are made but i feel like theres too many categories and sub-categories. I also think that the site is more complicated like this and i consider that its more  logical to have the coins/notes/exonumia separated. 

I liked more how it was before the changes.

I agree with the changes made, both in the catalogue and on the collection page of each user.
 

I'd like to comment on a couple of things, which I don't know if they've been said or taken note of by the Numista administrators. It's that in the "Records" section, the "oldest" and the "newest" appear; and previously in the case of real coins and exonumia in metal format the "heaviest" and the "lightest" also appeared, which I consider should continue to appear as a curiosity.
 

Regarding what I have indicated, I suggest other types of record that could be included, these are: longest width, shortest width, longest length and shortest length (all of them for banknotes or exonumia in paper format). Also a curious record that could be included is the thickness of the edge of the thinnest coin and the thickest coin, these're possible data of interest for some collectors.

Merci pour le travail réalisé au niveau du classement et des recherches… 

Pas bien compris le forum, il y a un regroupement des langues et un seul forum c'est cela ?

 

Merci pour tout.

I don't know if I should congratulate or not.

 

Look at this, I have chosen “coins”:

 

I tried to arrange a swap and got all my eventual partners “Tokens” as well! I would not consider that improvements?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

and this?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

The coloured banner clearly indicates that there may be inconsistencies. The new categories have not yet been migrated, so let's wait until the admins have finished their work !

Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno

Sjoelund

and this?

You have clearly not taken fantasy and similarly unwanted categories out.

 Personally, I like that I can now get rid of all the notgeld issues that are usually planted right in the middle of Modern Germany (Empire→Republic) and for searches were you don't really know what you have be it a coin or exonumia you have a higher chance of finding it in one search.

Idolenz

Sjoelund

and this?

You have clearly not taken fantasy and similarly unwanted categories out.

 Personally, I like that I can now get rid of all the notgeld issues that are usually planted right in the middle of Modern Germany (Empire→Republic) and for searches were you don't really know what you have be it a coin or exonumia you have a higher chance of finding it in one search.

With this filter you will not find coins like Lundy for instance

Idolenz

Sjoelund

and this?

 

You have clearly not taken fantasy and similarly unwanted categories out.

 Personally, I like that I can now get rid of all the notgeld issues that are usually planted right in the middle of Modern Germany (Empire→Republic) and for searches were you don't really know what you have be it a coin or exonumia you have a higher chance of finding it in one search.

Right you are, I thought coins would stay coins and not all the other possibilities, OMG, it starts to get complicated in these modern times…. Thanks for the help.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Idolenz

Sjoelund

and this?

 

You have clearly not taken fantasy and similarly unwanted categories out.

 Personally, I like that I can now get rid of all the notgeld issues that are usually planted right in the middle of Modern Germany (Empire→Republic) and for searches were you don't really know what you have be it a coin or exonumia you have a higher chance of finding it in one search.

Right you are, I thought coins would stay coins and not all the other possibilities, OMG, it starts to get complicated in these modern times…. Thanks for the help.

Its alot harder to search for stuff, i alreafy miss the old sistem…

I think the time to complain, make suggestions and report bugs is after the orange banner disappears.  Let the designers work out the issues first, then when they're done and they ask for input on changes, improvements, bugs, etc. let loose.  Doing all that now will more than likely get lost, no longer be relevant or just be the result of not fully understanding the changes. 

 

This will also give you time to understand the new system, how to navigate it and just maybe recognize that there are actually great improvements over the old system.

 

Don't be a Luddite!

rsirian1

I think the time to complain, make suggestions and report bugs is after the orange banner disappears.  Let the designers work out the issues first, then when they're done and they ask for input on changes, improvements, bugs, etc. let loose.  Doing all that now will more than likely get lost, no longer be relevant or just be the result of not fully understanding the changes. 

 

This will also give you time to understand the new system, how to navigate it and just maybe recognize that there are actually great improvements over the old system.

 

Don't be a Luddite!

Allright, ill try to get used to it, i guess.

rsirian1

I think the time to complain, make suggestions and report bugs is after the orange banner disappears.  Let the designers work out the issues first, then when they're done and they ask for input on changes, improvements, bugs, etc. let loose.

 

This will also give you time to understand the new system, how to navigate it and just maybe recognize that there are actually great improvements over the old system.

 

Don't be a Luddite!

Hi.    

     Yes, I also think to wait with the evaluation.

For now, just go through and look at the changes and let the creators themselves review it for a while.    So it's still too early to comment.  It's a lot of work.  I thank the creators for me and my coins bow to them.  He even took off his hat for one denarius and bowed.

Let's give it time to settle.

Ivan

Just a question, why were our records taken out? Our heaviest, largest, smallest, lightest? I can only see my oldest and newest. 

The Earth is a Triangle

Hello,


We are still migrating the former categories into the new categories and fixing some remaining issues.
In the coming days and weeks, we'll continue developments to adjust for the new format of the catalogue.
 

The issue with fantasy coins has indeed become more apparent. One of the planned development is to introduce a new field for fantasy coins: “pretended issuer”. This way, the place or country stated on fantasy coins will not appear as their issuer anymore; and these coins will not be shown when searching by for that coins issued by that country.

The first thing I would like to do is congratulate the administrators for the great effort made in this new improvement and, in general, in all those that are being done to continue building together the best numismatic website currently.

That said, all changes are complicated at the beginning. People adapt to specific mechanisms and, when these are modified (even to improve), it becomes complicated at first to have to adapt to something new.

As mentioned here, let's give time for the system to be implemented correctly and then provide everything necessary so that the new tool is the best possible (I already have a couple of questions/doubts in mind to raise).

Congratulations!!!!

Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain

I take this opportunity to put my first doubt/suggestion, since I don't think it depends on correct operation but rather on its categorization. 

 

The two pieces in the picture below are exactly the same (emergency or necessity coin or note issued by the same official entity during the Spanish Civil War). The only difference is that one piece was made circular and the other rectangular. It makes no sense, in my opinion, that both are categorized so differently (see black box in the photo).

 

Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain

My simple humble opinion on the changes I saw today, I know there will be more adjustments. Numista is an excellent website, it was heading towards perfection. But what I saw today destroyed everything, threw everything into a blender and blended it, mixed everything. I hope the changes improve the site, but so far, I haven't seen anything useful, sorry for my sincerity.

I understand that this is a big change, but why are people expressing their disapproval now? This thread has been up for months, why didn't you send your opinions then, when changes could have been done more easily?

For me is because i almost never look in forum, and if i do, i do it in the the coins/notes tabs, not general.

JoshuaM83215

I understand that this is a big change, but why are people expressing their disapproval now? This thread has been up for months, why didn't you send your opinions then, when changes could have been done more easily?

Because nobody spends their time looking though the numista website forum section? Seriously I had no idea this thread existed until late last night (its still morning here). I would have suggested some changes if I had known this was going on. For the record I think most people would like the new changes, but it is frustrating in some ways as well. 

The Earth is a Triangle

JoshuaM83215

I understand that this is a big change, but why are people expressing their disapproval now? This thread has been up for months, why didn't you send your opinions then, when changes could have been done more easily?

Since April I wrote mixing fantasy with official issues would never be an improvment.

 

I guess people is complaining now because no one was sure how would be.

 

But as said before, let's wait the new fixes. Oooooor maybe now is the time to say what people think while still in development.

 

Coins are coins, exonumia are exonumia. 

Rajbarage

JoshuaM83215

I understand that this is a big change, but why are people expressing their disapproval now? This thread has been up for months, why didn't you send your opinions then, when changes could have been done more easily?

Because nobody spends their time looking though the numista website forum section? Seriously I had no idea this thread existed until late last night (its still morning here). I would have suggested some changes if I had known this was going on. For the record I think most people would like the new changes, but it is frustrating in some ways as well. 

Then let this be a wake up call for you to check formus once in a while, because important site updates may be going on. 

JoshuaM83215

Rajbarage

JoshuaM83215

I understand that this is a big change, but why are people expressing their disapproval now? This thread has been up for months, why didn't you send your opinions then, when changes could have been done more easily?

Because nobody spends their time looking though the numista website forum section? Seriously I had no idea this thread existed until late last night (its still morning here). I would have suggested some changes if I had known this was going on. For the record I think most people would like the new changes, but it is frustrating in some ways as well. 

Then let this be a wake up call for you to check formus once in a while, because important site updates may be going on. 

There should be notifications (the orange ball that appears on the forum tab) for important changes such as this one.

Carol51

JoshuaM83215

Rajbarage

JoshuaM83215

I understand that this is a big change, but why are people expressing their disapproval now? This thread has been up for months, why didn't you send your opinions then, when changes could have been done more easily?

Because nobody spends their time looking though the numista website forum section? Seriously I had no idea this thread existed until late last night (its still morning here). I would have suggested some changes if I had known this was going on. For the record I think most people would like the new changes, but it is frustrating in some ways as well. 

Then let this be a wake up call for you to check formus once in a while, because important site updates may be going on. 

There should be notifications (the orange ball that appears on the forum tab) for important changes such as this one.

How about an orange star?

rsirian1

Carol51

JoshuaM83215

Rajbarage

JoshuaM83215

I understand that this is a big change, but why are people expressing their disapproval now? This thread has been up for months, why didn't you send your opinions then, when changes could have been done more easily?

Because nobody spends their time looking though the numista website forum section? Seriously I had no idea this thread existed until late last night (its still morning here). I would have suggested some changes if I had known this was going on. For the record I think most people would like the new changes, but it is frustrating in some ways as well. 

Then let this be a wake up call for you to check formus once in a while, because important site updates may be going on. 

There should be notifications (the orange ball that appears on the forum tab) for important changes such as this one.

How about an orange star?

I meant this thing, so you can actually see something is happening without opening the forum

Geison

 

Coins are coins, exonumia are exonumia. 

 Quite right. Wondering what on earth the new look will be. 

I hate change. 

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

1. In “My collection” you have no option to select from beginning what you wanna be shown, you can do that after you click “OK”, there should be something similar to “Catalog” options.

2. If you open “Catalog”, then “Euros” and select for example Andorra from first column of “Circulating coins” the newly opened page will contain banknotes, exonumia and also non-circulating coins even if it should show only Regular circulating coins

3. Commemorative 2-Euro coins in “Euros” page will also show regular 2Euros

4. Non-circulating coins page will show everything

5. ECU page also doesn't work, shows everything

6. In my collection, for example Romania, if i select “Sort by Ruling Authority” everything will be mixed strangely, for example “Republic 1989-now” has all the coins and notes from 1989-now just arranged by the catalogue number or maybe date, but there should be an arranging done, by date of issuing maybe? It's strange to have first a 1998 banknote and after that a 1992 and 1996 banknotes shown. 

And if select Arrange by Catalogue numbers, coins will show all first and at the end, all the notes.

7. In my collection or even in Catalogue when opening the Issuer bar for selecting, it's annoying to have all the fantasy or tokens issuers

I hope there is an option to have the “classic” option to sort the catalog, but I still like this

Kenny

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In the previous form pressing Enter in a text box (the general search box, or the lettering or year search box, and others) would start a search. This is gone away. I find myself pressing Enter and sitting and waiting for a while until I realize nothing is going to happen.

Theres a bug i think with my collection history, the spikes appeared today, ive never had that many coins that they imply i had.

 I have the same spike on the same day 

 

and also 2 others before that date 

 

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

bjherbison

In the previous form pressing Enter in a text box (the general search box, or the lettering or year search box, and others) would start a search. This is gone away. I find myself pressing Enter and sitting and waiting for a while until I realize nothing is going to happen.

Thanks for reporting, I fixed it.

To those saying we should have commented on the plans before they were implemented, I would make two points. First, at no time was it made clear that everything would be mushed together in this way. The title of the thread is “Changes in the catalogue categories” not “Combining all catalogue categories”. Second, I did contribute, pointing out that bank tokens need their own category within coins, since they are much more coins than tokens. However, this appears to have been ignored, unless it is among the changes still to be implemented. The principle of adding new categories is fine but that isn't the main effect of what's been implemented.

Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.

Carol51

Theres a bug i think with my collection history, the spikes appeared today, ive never had that many coins that they imply i had.

Thank you, it's fixed.

ZacUK

 I have the same spike on the same day 

 

and also 2 others before that date 

 

well i hope they get fixed because i like keeping track of my collection history

Xavier

Carol51

Theres a bug i think with my collection history, the spikes appeared today, ive never had that many coins that they imply i had.

Thank you, it's fixed.

Thank you, i saw this after i posted my previous comment.

So that there does not seem to be a majority of negative-ish comments, I like the changes. Particularly the possibility to see my whole collection at once, and to search for something in all categories at once. Of course there a few remaining bugs (I noticed several fields in English when I am set to French language) and some improvements will continue to be made going forward, but to me this is a good change. Well done!

 Those 3 were after a quick look [where for 1 day it seems doubled] 

Jul 16, 2023 

Jul 2, 2023 

Apr 24, 2023 

 then from those dates I went up to the present day - nothing more found. 

However going back I then found 

Oct 31, 2022 

May 2, 2022  

Apr 28, 2022  [6,900 that day from 2,300 the day before - so is trebled] 

Sep 7, 2021 

Apr 13/14, 2021 [two days] 

Apr 3, 2021 

Mar 29, 2021 

Mar 9/10, 2021 [two days] 

Feb 28, 2021 

Feb 10, 2021 [four days] 

Jan 26, 2021  [6,674 that day from 2,224 the day before - so is trebled] 

Apr 16, 2020 

 and so on backwards … 

 

 Maybe on those dates there was a temporary change on the site systems, like today. 

From the graph on: https://en.numista.com/vous/index.php [Collection history] 

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

Xavier

 

Thank you, it's fixed.

 Yes, thanks. Just checked, and for example 

Apr 24, 2023  is a straight line now, with no peaks. 

 I now went back all the way to Sep 2, 2013 and all alright. 

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

Currently got a few spikes that suddenly add 20,000 items to my  ‘Collection History’, then vanish.  Clearly these are glitches, so can anyone tell me when they will be fixed?

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

Also, I have a replica William the Conquerer coin in my Exonumia collection.  Instead of my collection ranging from 1566 to the present year, it now goes back to 1066.  Not sure if this is a good or bad thing, but it is clearly inacurate.  The replica was produced only a couple of years ago at most.  

 

Can we please find a way of correcting this anomily, maybe by having a separate section somewhere on Exonumia pages for the ‘Probable year of production’, as opposed to the actual date on the item, which (self evidently) can be meaningless.

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

My honest opinion, I think it mostly looks great! 
It's really nice to have everything together, and now my map is nice an colourful. I only have a handful of countries left to add on mine. 😊

 

My only constructive feedback is that a lot of exonumia I have is being classed as paper exonumia when they're definitely not paper haha. And the other thing is I think Antarctica should be added on the map now. 

LDC63

Currently got a few spikes that suddenly add 20,000 items to my  ‘Collection History’, then vanish.  Clearly these are glitches, so can anyone tell me when they will be fixed?

OK - Looks like it's already being fixed.  😃

 

I assume we just switch off Numista and start it up again to fix this issue?

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

LDC63

Also, I have a replica William the Conquerer coin in my Exonumia collection.  Instead of my collection ranging from 1566 to the present year, it now goes back to 1066.  Not sure if this is a good or bad thing, but it is clearly inacurate.  The replica was produced only a couple of years ago at most.  

 

Can we please find a way of correcting this anomily, maybe by having a separate section somewhere on Exonumia pages for the ‘Probable year of production’, as opposed to the actual date on the item, which (self evidently) can be meaningless.

Nothing to do with the current catalog changes, just a page that has been filled in incorrectly …

1) there is no year on the coin

2) even if there was, it is for sure not the year of minting, so guidelines state “If the year shown on the coin is different from the year(s) when it was minted, select “No date” (ND) and enter the actual year(s) of minting in the two fields.”

3) guidelines already provide an option for adding date of minting "For coins with uncertain dates of issue, select “No date” (ND) and enter the date range in the two fields."

==> ND is the correct date to be entered for that replica (as well as the others in the set), if the date (or range) of issue is know it can be added with the “change date” override

Just call me Bram

No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!

LDC63

Also, I have a replica William the Conquerer coin in my Exonumia collection.  Instead of my collection ranging from 1566 to the present year, it now goes back to 1066.  Not sure if this is a good or bad thing, but it is clearly inacurate.  The replica was produced only a couple of years ago at most.  

 

Can we please find a way of correcting this anomily, maybe by having a separate section somewhere on Exonumia pages for the ‘Probable year of production’, as opposed to the actual date on the item, which (self evidently) can be meaningless.

I recommend we set no date (ND) for modern replicas, as they obviously don't date from the year written on the replica.
Feel free to submit a change request for your replica.

Edit: BramVB was faster than me ;)

Most categories have now been migrated to the new model, except medals, which I'll handle tomorrow.

 

I did my best to migrate all items to the most appropriate categories. There are still many items in the wrong categories, either because they were already wrongly or insufficiently categories, or because of limitations of the migration. Everyone is very welcome to help moving items to the most appropriate type: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/types.php

 

Here are some areas where some help might be especially needed:

  • There is a new type for siege coins. I tried to migrate all siege coins which were previously categorized as standard circulation coins, but I may have missed some.
  • Another new type is merchant tokens, which were previously categorized in Coins>Tokens or in Exonumia. Again, I probably missed to migrate some of them.
  • We split out the non-circulating banknotes from the commemorative banknotes. Some help would be highly appreciated to review the commemorative banknotes and move the non-circulating ones.
  • The token type for other dispenser tokens contains many tokens that may better fit in other types (beverage and food dispenser tokens, laundry tokens, locker tokens, business tokens, etc.)
  • Similarly the category for other access tokens contains many items that need to be moved.
  • There are many mix-ups between religious tokens and religious medals.
  • More generally, all the tokens would benefit from being reviewed.

Where would coins that were manufactured for circulation or investment but were destroyed before being issued?

 

Some examples:

1987 Uganda

1 Cent 1941 Hong Kong

1940 Greece

5 Euros 2010 Netherlands

Master Coin Referee
Coin referee for CRI, GTM, HND, NIC, PAN, and SLV.

Revisor principal de monedas
Revisor de Numista para monedas de CRI, GTM, HND, NIC, PAN y SLV.

Slava Ukraini and Free Palestine!

Dear all,

 

Perhaps because I did not noticed this topic in the Forum, but in my opinion this should be consulted or informed trough a general communication to all Numista users, today I confront with this new layout very surprising and confusing.

 

Of course in the beginning it is normal as in any big change, but I would like to leave one suggestion/ question: in this new version I have lost visibility from my statistics, namely biggest, lightest coin etc. Currently only the oldest and newest statistic is displayed.

 

Is there a filter that can display this previous statistics?

 

Thank you.

Gonçalo

Also, could coin referees be allowed jurisdiction over collector coins, fantasy coins, local coins, contemporary counterfeits, and proto-coins?
 

Master Coin Referee
Coin referee for CRI, GTM, HND, NIC, PAN, and SLV.

Revisor principal de monedas
Revisor de Numista para monedas de CRI, GTM, HND, NIC, PAN y SLV.

Slava Ukraini and Free Palestine!

I was going to make a comment greatly lamenting the fact that the very handy page with a list of countries and small flags where removed…but then I thought to actually click the “Issuers” category, and to my great relief this is where that went, but that brings me to my real point/question: For me, when I saw “Issuers” I was imagining something like Banks, Authority office, or even Printing Company rather than countries themselves (despite the background with flags), and I am now wondering if this is either just a mistake on my part or a misunderstanding stemming from English not being my first language, or if there is a cause to ponder changing “Issuers” into something else, “by country”, “Location”, “Country of Origin”, etc etc?

 

EDIT: Though now I realize it contains more than just countries, so I guess my whole pondering is kind of a moot point.

 

EDIT2: I do have one complaint though: It used to be I could have one tab open with the Issuers list for coins, and another tab with the same page but for banknotes, but because I now need to use the filters to choose what kind of object I want to look for, choosing one of them will automatically overwrite the filter settings for the other tab, which is incredibly annoying.

 

I would be really grateful if this could be reimplemented, as it would negative QoL evolution otherwise, at least for me personally. Adaptable, sure, but kind of annoying.

Some_Nerd

Also, could coin referees be allowed jurisdiction over collector coins, fantasy coins, local coins, contemporary counterfeits, and proto-coins?
 

I don't want to have anything to do with those, thanks (so make it voluntary).

Carol51

rsirian1

Carol51

JoshuaM83215

Rajbarage

JoshuaM83215

I understand that this is a big change, but why are people expressing their disapproval now? This thread has been up for months, why didn't you send your opinions then, when changes could have been done more easily?

Because nobody spends their time looking though the numista website forum section? Seriously I had no idea this thread existed until late last night (its still morning here). I would have suggested some changes if I had known this was going on. For the record I think most people would like the new changes, but it is frustrating in some ways as well. 

Then let this be a wake up call for you to check formus once in a while, because important site updates may be going on. 

There should be notifications (the orange ball that appears on the forum tab) for important changes such as this one.

How about an orange star?

I meant this thing, so you can actually see something is happening without opening the forum

Huh, I never saw that. I am usually on other sections of forums with some regularity, and check about every other day or daily for numista in general. 

The Earth is a Triangle

The vast majority of users are not even aware there is a forum.

 

I guess admins could put some poll in the main page… but now what is done is done.

 

All respect for the owners of the site, but I think Numista have a great responsability and liability, this change will affect a large amount of collectors and even the numismatic economy of certain coins.  
 

Since now everything is a coin. 

Should these be considered local coins?

And this banknote, dosent it count as a non-circulation one, since it was made by the bank to commemorate an event and it was meant for collection purpose only?

Xavier

Most categories have now been migrated to the new model, except medals, which I'll handle tomorrow.

 

I did my best to migrate all items to the most appropriate categories. There are still many items in the wrong categories, either because they were already wrongly or insufficiently categories, or because of limitations of the migration. Everyone is very welcome to help moving items to the most appropriate type: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/types.php

 

Here are some areas where some help might be especially needed:

 

 

Carol51Should these be considered local coins?

 

And this banknote, dosent it count as a non-circulation one, since it was made by the bank to commemorate an event and it was meant for collection purpose only?

 

Sorry, I am unable to put an orange ball or star on it for you to read what Xavier posted above yours.

Referee for Exonumia from United States

JLHare

Xavier

Most categories have now been migrated to the new model, except medals, which I'll handle tomorrow.

 

I did my best to migrate all items to the most appropriate categories. There are still many items in the wrong categories, either because they were already wrongly or insufficiently categories, or because of limitations of the migration. Everyone is very welcome to help moving items to the most appropriate type: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/types.php

 

Here are some areas where some help might be especially needed:

 

 

Carol51Should these be considered local coins?

 

And this banknote, dosent it count as a non-circulation one, since it was made by the bank to commemorate an event and it was meant for collection purpose only?

 

Sorry, I am unable to put an orange ball or star on it for you to read what Xavier posted above yours.

Sorry, i forgot he said that.

Hello,

The statistics and records of user collections have been fixed.

Some_Nerd

Also, could coin referees be allowed jurisdiction over collector coins, fantasy coins, local coins, contemporary counterfeits, and proto-coins?

The scope of referees has not changed for the moment. It still relies on the old categories Coins / Banknotes / Exonumia, even if they are not visible anymore. We'll modify that in a later step.

Xavier

Hello,

The statistics and records of user collections have been fixed.

I get an error when I go to my Profile

If you like coins, medals and tokens with ship motives follow my new instagram account with regular updates @numisnautiker
From time to time I sell some coins on Ebay make sure to follow me @apuking on Ebay.

Xavier

Hello,

The statistics and records of user collections have been fixed.

I have been thinking about this “others” could you pleasr make it so that you can click on it and see what the coins in that category are?

Its both in compositions and types.

In the chart “history of my collection” in French, "objects" and “objected to swap” are… swapped.

apuking

I get an error when I go to my Profile

Sorry, that's fixed.

SpuDy

1. In “My collection” you have no option to select from beginning what you wanna be shown, you can do that after you click “OK”, there should be something similar to “Catalog” options.

2. If you open “Catalog”, then “Euros” and select for example Andorra from first column of “Circulating coins” the newly opened page will contain banknotes, exonumia and also non-circulating coins even if it should show only Regular circulating coins

3. Commemorative 2-Euro coins in “Euros” page will also show regular 2Euros

4. Non-circulating coins page will show everything

5. ECU page also doesn't work, shows everything

6. In my collection, for example Romania, if i select “Sort by Ruling Authority” everything will be mixed strangely, for example “Republic 1989-now” has all the coins and notes from 1989-now just arranged by the catalogue number or maybe date, but there should be an arranging done, by date of issuing maybe? It's strange to have first a 1998 banknote and after that a 1992 and 1996 banknotes shown. 

And if select Arrange by Catalogue numbers, coins will show all first and at the end, all the notes.

7. In my collection or even in Catalogue when opening the Issuer bar for selecting, it's annoying to have all the fantasy or tokens issuers

@Xavier 

I still cannot make the normal search function work for me it keeps giving me no searches, i guess i will use catalogue page from now on but these changes was not what i was expecting when i read "consolidation of types"

What are you trying to search for?

Idolenz

What are you trying to search for?

The spying glass on the start page set on coins gives me this?  For whatever i try and enter i might add

 

Terrazone

The spying glass on the start page set on coins gives me this?  For whatever i try and enter i might add

It's fixed.

SouthViking

In the chart “history of my collection” in French, "objects" and “objected to swap” are… swapped.

Thank you, that's fixed.

Xavier

Terrazone

The spying glass on the start page set on coins gives me this?  For whatever i try and enter i might add

It's fixed.

Mighty thanks Xavier

I don't know if this is connected with the new version, but the appeal button is not there, but I can cancel a not approved CR…..

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

I don't know if this is connected with the new version, but the appeal button is not there, but I can cancel a not approved CR…..

It's completely unrelated, and fixed.

Moved to new post

I am just confused, this is some of my coins, those are all now fantasy, it is supposed to stay in this way?

 

Hello everyone... regardless of whether we like the changes or not, they are here, and we will all get used to them sooner or later. However, there is one thing that bothers me quite a bit, and it might be worth considering some options. Specifically, when you open a user's profile, it used to clearly state how many coins, banknotes, and pieces of exonumia the user had for exchange. Since my primary area of interest is banknotes, if I saw on a profile that the user didn't have any banknotes for exchange, I wouldn't even open their swap list. Now that coins and banknotes are combined, I have to open the swap list for each user and hit the filter to find out that the user has no banknotes for exchange at all.

ts989

Hello everyone... regardless of whether we like the changes or not, they are here, and we will all get used to them sooner or later. However, there is one thing that bothers me quite a bit, and it might be worth considering some options. Specifically, when you open a user's profile, it used to clearly state how many coins, banknotes, and pieces of exonumia the user had for exchange. Since my primary area of interest is banknotes, if I saw on a profile that the user didn't have any banknotes for exchange, I wouldn't even open their swap list. Now that coins and banknotes are combined, I have to open the swap list for each user and hit the filter to find out that the user has no banknotes for exchange at all.

I like the suggestion, as a coin only collector, I would use the filter all the time, and would prefer to be able to set it as a fixed option in my profile?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Geison

I am just confused, this is some of my coins, those are all now fantasy, it is supposed to stay in this way?

See my reply about fantasy coins above: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic144308-2.html#p1190843

 

ts989

Specifically, when you open a user's profile, it used to clearly state how many coins, banknotes, and pieces of exonumia the user had for exchange. 

Thanks for the feedback. We'll adjust that.

Geison

I am just confused, this is some of my coins, those are all now fantasy, it is supposed to stay in this way?

 

Based on the Numista definitions, yes, they are fantasy.

 

Yet, the definition of fantasy coins needs to be corrected:

 

Items that are similar to coins but they are either not issued by an official body.

 

However, “similar to coins” is much too general. Medals and tokens are, in  many ways, similar to coins. Perhaps something like:

 

Items that purport to be coins but not issued by an official body.

 

And I suggest the term “polity” here and elsewhere instead of “official body”. This too is quite vague.

 

EDIT — Oh, I see Xavier's reply now.

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Carol51

Im happy to see that changes are made but i feel like theres too many categories and sub-categories. I also think that the site is more complicated like this and i consider that its more  logical to have the coins/notes/exonumia separated. 

I liked more how it was before the changes.

Agreed !!!

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

Also, I seem to have gained two ‘coins’.  I've no idea where from, but I suspect that they were classed as Exonumia prior to the the changes being made.

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

LDC63

Also, I seem to have gained two ‘coins’.  I've no idea where from, but I suspect that they were classed as Exonumia prior to the the changes being made.

Oh yeah I have this too. When I click on that, it goes straight to my entire coin list lol. Just a little thing though. 😄 

Pierre.B 

The 2 items with the broad type ‘Coins’ in your graph are for this coin type: N#43609

Idolenz

Sjoelund

and this?

 

You have clearly not taken fantasy and similarly unwanted categories out.

 

Such filter removes coins that are not type classified. Good thing about Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth that they do not have lots of exonumia with 184 unknown type coins. 

tokul

Idolenz

Sjoelund

and this?

 

You have clearly not taken fantasy and similarly unwanted categories out.

 

Such filter removes coins that are not type classified. Good thing about Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth that they do not have lots of exonumia with 184 unknown type coins. 

But in “my collection” its all together, I collect only official coins, there is not a filter for that. Or is a bug.

All coins

Coins with just one category disabled and I know that missing results are not from that category.

 

Technically not related to this category change. Filters were behaving that way before. Merging exonumia just highlighted it.

Xavier

Pierre.B 

The 2 items with the broad type ‘Coins’ in your graph are for this coin type: N#43609

Ahh right. 

Yeah that makes sense. 👍

BramVB

LDC63

Also, I have a replica William the Conquerer coin in my Exonumia collection.  Instead of my collection ranging from 1566 to the present year, it now goes back to 1066.  Not sure if this is a good or bad thing, but it is clearly inacurate.  The replica was produced only a couple of years ago at most.  

 

Can we please find a way of correcting this anomily, maybe by having a separate section somewhere on Exonumia pages for the ‘Probable year of production’, as opposed to the actual date on the item, which (self evidently) can be meaningless.

Nothing to do with the current catalog changes, just a page that has been filled in incorrectly …

1) there is no year on the coin

2) even if there was, it is for sure not the year of minting, so guidelines state “If the year shown on the coin is different from the year(s) when it was minted, select “No date” (ND) and enter the actual year(s) of minting in the two fields.”

3) guidelines already provide an option for adding date of minting "For coins with uncertain dates of issue, select “No date” (ND) and enter the date range in the two fields."

==> ND is the correct date to be entered for that replica (as well as the others in the set), if the date (or range) of issue is know it can be added with the “change date” override

Certainly wasn't an issue before all the categories were combined !!  Law of unintended concequences seems to apply here.  I have to agree with the comment by Merv on the other thread - What ever happened to “If it ain't broke, don't try and fix it”?

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

“My collection” on phone version still stays as “My coins”

Hi everybody!

 

I welcome the change. And yes with such changes adjusting comes with it.

 

I like the clear distinction between tokens, medals and paper Exonumia (previously all were in the same bag). The same approach is used in adding higher level type, when you are not sure about the correct lower type. I see this as one of the best parts of this upgrade. Previously you had options only to choose “last of the line” types. God riddance of no more “automatic tokens”.

 

Next implemented upgrade to be hailed is clearer Exonumia type distinctions.

 

*****

Proposals on additional Exonumia types:

  • Maybe “Restaurant, bar, cafe and hotel tokens” should be updated to “Restaurant, cantine, bar, cafe and hotel tokens”.
  • Deposit tokens could be expanded with new subtype “Wardrobe token”. Currently there are not many such pieces on Numista. See one here.
  • I will still stay a champion of “Public transportation tokens” separation into lower groups. Although currently this would need 4th level type.
  • Casino chips and tokens. I would separate “Slot machine tokens” and “Casino chips”. If not sure, you can always set on upper level of “Casino chips and tokens”.
  • Within “Banknote-like items” I would add “Currency proposals” or something similar. Some banknotes are/were made to be contested in being a public currency. Not all make it through. Leaving these as "Fantasy banknotes" seems a bit off.
  • "Trade Vouchers" or “Ration Coupons” could be expanded with additional lower level type “Fuel Coupons”. A whole lot of these in Yugoslavia. I can also agree, that some added pages may also already be placed in wrong higher type. Generally I was adding all food coupons to ration coupons and fuel coupons to trade coupons. I see that “Fuel Tokens” are now available, though.
  • I never liked much “Event medals”, they tend to overlap with sporting events, cultural, scholastic events and so on.  Still it seems wrong to add these into category of eg. “Sporting awards”. Although some could be added as “Commemorative souvenir” or “Event Souvenir” medals. I stumble upon the difference of “Event medal” and “Even Souvenir”. I may be short on Numista rules here… I guess its not wrong to say, but I wait for better explanation of certain types (Thank you @Jarcek on regular Numista referee updates).
  • Company, institution and association medals could be separated in subcategories. At the moment they seem piled up.
  • What happened to books? There were some threads over this. “References” could easily be added as separate pages.
  • I would also like to hear others on "Challenge Coins". Maybe “Military Medals” could be separated at least into this subgroup.
  • I have written before on specific local token types, like Canadian Dollar Tokens, there are also Dutch Florijn Tokens, US wooden nickel tokens, Austrian and German Calendar medals, etc. I believe these are worthy of their own group, to be situated at the same level as "Carnival and mardi gras tokens".
  • What happened to "Mint tokens"? I would not like to open “Conder tokens” stuff.
  • Maybe adding “New year tokens” (although it sounds awful) type within “Spiritual Tokens" or “Event tokens”.
  • Maybe also “Masonic Tokens” as a new subgroup of “Society Medals”.

 

(I leave all these here, as I believe these proposals are within the scope of this thread)

*****

Previously there was a group “Encased tokens”. I would add these or this into one of the “Manufacturing technique(s)”.

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic151322.html 

(added this one as a new thread)

*****

 

So much for now. 😎

 

LP

Since the update I can't see the countries I don't have items from according to my selection. e.g. I collect 1 coin from every country/issuer, however when i select coins as the filter and then select countries i don't have items from, it brings back countries that don't have coins such as Oceania…. which has paper exonumia.

 

How do I find the countries (and issuers) for coins only?

Thanks

Stewart

@mikimaus, could you please open a separate topic to discuss these points, and maybe even multiple topics by by category, so that we can discuss the proposed changes and address them?

I kind of like the new setup and am sure I will get used to it. However I can't seem to find where “Mint Tokens” should go?

 

These are the kind of Tokens/Medals that some Mints like to include in their Year BU or Proof sets.

 

These are examples

 

N#321590

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/exonumia436946.html

N#32524

 

They look like they are just included in "Tokens" without a sub category for them?

 

I would suggest they be in Tokens - "Mint Set Tokens"

 

Regards Mike

Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
 

Never understood why these were always called Tokens as a token has a sort of function, they should always have been called mint medals but that is not for me to decide 😃

If you like coins, medals and tokens with ship motives follow my new instagram account with regular updates @numisnautiker
From time to time I sell some coins on Ebay make sure to follow me @apuking on Ebay.

apuking

Never understood why these were always called Tokens as a token has a sort of function, they should always have been called mint medals but that is not for me to decide 😃

Ils very true!

I agree that a category for mint set tokens is missing, even if some of these tokens could fit in “Commemorative medals” or some of its sub-categories.

More generally, I believe we are missing a category for all these medallions that are not really commemorative nor advertising, but just intended as collectibles.
 

So I created the categories “Medals > Collection medallions” and “Medals > Collection medallions > Mint set tokens”.

 

Even if most of them have a size and shape that make them look like tokens, I prefer to categorize them under Medals, since they have no direct utility.

Thanks Xavier, that is a good place to put them. - Mike

Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
 

Stewartdiver

Since the update I can't see the countries I don't have items from according to my selection. e.g. I collect 1 coin from every country/issuer, however when i select coins as the filter and then select countries i don't have items from, it brings back countries that don't have coins such as Oceania…. which has paper exonumia.

 

How do I find the countries (and issuers) for coins only?

Thanks

Stewart

I noticed this change too. 

I have the same question because I didn't manage to find a solution yet.

 

Thanks 

LDC63

Also, I seem to have gained two ‘coins’.  I've no idea where from, but I suspect that they were classed as Exonumia prior to the the changes being made.

I now have 4 new coins in my collection, dispite not having added a coin since the 14/10/24.

 

Can anyone explain this please?

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

1. Searching 0.25 as Face value doesn't show any US Quarter since they are expressed as ¼ Dollar in Numista database, but if you open Catalogue → US → Any Quarter series will show just 25 Dollars coins and not any Quarter. Also, 0.25 as search should not show 25 Dollars coins

2. Not sure if related, but America National Parks and Women Heroes series includes also the Silver piefort coins, which clearly should not be there

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apuking

Never understood why these were always called Tokens as a token has a sort of function, they should always have been called mint medals but that is not for me to decide 😃

Ils very true!

I seen it is customary (at least in Czech Republic) to call small Copper pieces coming from mint as Tokens/Jetons.

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