Beautiful double fake of Tunisia 5 dinars 1443-2021 [επιλυμένο]

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The article N#327288

shows two fakes. 

 

There is the standard fake, described in the Polite demand to substitute a referee  https://en.numista.com/forum/topic51669.html

when the referee in question His Majesty created own language for Muslim world and as the result the coin

lettering of the obverse

2021-1443

 

translates from Arabic

2021-1443

.

But simultaneously some one with brains the reverse lettering

2000-1903

translates from Arabic

1903-2000

 

How one catalog can be so inconsistent that in the same article makes translation correct and as an absurd simultaneously?

Well these fakes are known and the discussion https://en.numista.com/forum/topic51669.html clearly shows the ridiculousness of position of His Majesty.

 

But the article at the same time shows one more fake.

In the technical data table  (right top) it states

Type Standard circulation coin

;

in the description it emphasizes:
Commemorative issue 22nd anniversary of the death of President Habib Bourguiba

.

 

Question what is 5  dinars 1443-2021: standard? commemorative?

Alexander from Cyprus
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Please define “fake”?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

I feel like it's a translation issue.  I'm understanding Fake = Error
The two errors that need to be corrected are the coin type needs to be changed to “Circulating Commemorative”
And the translation for the dates on the reverse should be changed to 2000-1903 (as that is what's directly on the coin).  I may be misunderstanding that though and they are asking the obverse dates to be changed.

"What we are is not as important as what we aren't"

The coin is NOT a fake (counterfeit) but a legitimate circulating, commemorative coin (should be modified!), the OP can do that with just a normal CR (Change Request), if he doesn't mind to “work” a bit  instead of just criticizing.

 

The years are OK as written on the coin, the decision was taken to leave them as they are, and you know that, so stop your old quest of minimizing a better man than you.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

So many words wasted. I corrected this.

Catalogue administrator
Η κατάσταση άλλαξε σε Ολοκληρώθηκε. (Jarcek, 22 Νοέ 2023, 17:26)

As we see the real coin

 

Source: https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/collectables/coins-banknotes/coins/tunisia/demise-of-habib-bourguiba-1903-2000-tunisia-5-dinars-1443-2021-unc-mint-lustre-low-start-no-reserve-1912803960.html

has very peculiar feature: everything is written in Arabic! There is no a single symbol in any language. That is why the dates next to the portrait 2000-1903 of the passed away the winner of independency of the territory being written in Arabic were translated correctly as it was described in the first post.

 

"

But simultaneously some one with brains the reverse lettering

2000-1903

translates from Arabic

1903-2000

"

 

Now the actions of His Majesty  brought to lines in the article:

 

There is nothing too far from the reality: a person, even Father of Independency and Mr President can not be born in 2000 to die in 1903. His Majesty demonstrates that the Numista readers should take this absurd as the official statement of the territory. It is very very humiliating with respect to not only Muslim countries (see the link in the first post https://en.numista.com/forum/topic51669.html to discussion of the spreading His hate to Muslim countries as usual) but to the memory of passed people. 

The solution was given already in the link https://en.numista.com/forum/topic51669.htm

translation has millennia of practice and the Arabic 2000-1903 is translated into English as 1903-2000, or as seen on the image of the Reverse of the  coin 2021-1443 is translated as 1443-2021.  It is simple, scientific and creates  no contradictions. In the discussion above the only reason was found, why a Numista team member behaves in such way.

 

As usual  (see the first post https://en.numista.com/forum/topic51669.html  His Majesty was very quick and did not correct the order of the sides: the USA will not allow to make the side with passed president the Rev., the same with the USSR: the sides with the communist leaders are always Obverse. And the rule in numismatics textbooks states the same.

His Majesty was so quick that the reason of commemorating 

was

Commemorative issue 

22nd anniversary of the death of President Habib Bourguiba

 

 now

Commemorative issue

Habib Bourguiba

.

What?

Where is a document? Each coin is an official issue, which is accompanied with law of emission and no one presented it in this discussion. How did His Majesty check? Or it is just personal taste to switch from honorable celebration of 22 years of Memory of beloved leader to just, oh, the issue is about some-one, yes, his name is.
What if the emission document just states that the coin is issued without any celebration?

We are dealing with catalog, there is no place for personal ambitions or guessing here. 

Alexander from Cyprus
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Commemorative event is corrected. According to guidelines, these dates do not even need to be translated, but are written without any guideline errors.

 

 

 

By the way, do you know that your post constitues obvious harassment, which should result in ban of your menacing presence on the forum?

Catalogue administrator

These requests could definitely be made in a respectful manner instead of with spite and malice.  It makes the forums a very hostile environment.

 

That said, I was looking through the catalog and found these three other coins from 2002 that were earlier versions of the coin in question.
There is a fair bit of inconsistency with the descriptions, translations and coin types.
Since we appear to have hashed out the written bits fairly well for the 2021 issue, it might be worth while to adjust the others to match (with the corresponding dates of course).

N#39201

N#111987

N#1207

"What we are is not as important as what we aren't"

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