Ruling Authorities: A few Iberian Taifas (Part 3) [επιλυμένο]

Hello!

Here are a few more ruling authorities for the Iberian Peninsula, lines 40 to 76.  :)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Cp1TyzOXknGDZu8_YCmwgd4gS56GvxvIATQW40rYmM/edit?usp=sharing

Lorca, Taifa of

Ibn Asli, 1240-1244 (N#84988)

Nasrid dynasty (will request name change to Emirate of Grenada)

Nasrid dynasty
Muhammad I, 1237-1273 (http://www.andalustonegawa.50g.com/granada.htm)
Isma'il I, 1314-1325 (http://www.andalustonegawa.50g.com/granada.htm)
Muhammad IV, 1325-1333 (N#84996)
Yusuf I, 1333-1354 (N#84994)
Muhammad V, 1354-1358; 1362-1391 (https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10070919)
Isma'il II, 1358-1359 (http://www.andalustonegawa.50g.com/granada.htm)
Yusuf II, 1391-1392 (http://www.andalustonegawa.50g.com/granada.htm)
Muhammad VII, 1392-1408 (https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6320175)
Yusuf III, 1408-1417 (http://www.andalustonegawa.50g.com/granada.htm)
Muhammad VIII, 1417-1419; 1427-1429 (https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3611788)
Muhammad IX, 1419-1427; 1430-1453 (N#84990)
Abu'l Hasan, 1464-1482; 1483-1485 (N#288162)
Muhammad XII, 1482-1483; 1486-1492 (http://www.andalustonegawa.50g.com/granada.htm)
Muhammad XIII, 1485-1489 (http://www.andalustonegawa.50g.com/granada.htm)
 

Dénia, Taifa of
Saqaliba Amirid dynasty
Mudjahid al-Muwaffaq 1014-1045 (N#77206)
'Ali Iqbal al-Dawla, 1044-1076 (N#212195)

(N#82253)
Hasan ibn Mudjahid, rebel, circa 1039-1041 (https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8082042)
Hudid dynasty
Munzir ibn al-Muqtadir 1080-1090 (https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9510931)
Sulaiman ibn Munzir, 1090-1099 (N#82315)
 

Majorca, Taifa of
Aglabid dynasty
'Abd Allah al-Murtada, 1076-1093 (N#83972)
Mubashir ibn Sulayman 1093-1115 (N#82214)
 

Málaga, Taifa of
Hammudid dynasty
Yahya ibn Ali, 1026-1035 (N#212208)
(N#83965)
Idris I al-Muta'ayyad ibn Ali, 1035-1038 (http://www.andalustonegawa.50g.com/Hammudidis/IdrisI.html)
Al-Hasan al-Mustansir ibn Yahya, 1038-1042 ( https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8777263)
Idris II al-Ali ibn Yahya, 1042-1056 (N#212205)
Muhammad al-Mahdi ibn Idris, 1046-1052 (N#83964)
(N#356497)
Zirid dynasty
Tamim ibn Buluggin al-Mustansir, 1073-1090 (https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9510915)
 

Done

Thank you! I am starting to add these.

It appears something has happened with a few dynasties though…

Under the Taifa of Denia, only 2/5 were added under the proper dynasty. I indicated which here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Cp1TyzOXknGDZu8_YCmwgd4gS56GvxvIATQW40rYmM/edit?usp=sharing

Under the Taifa of Majorca (also indicated above), we have two "Abd Allah al-Murtada"--one which is under the proper dynasty and one which is not (perhaps one was already there before I requested this, and I just never noticed). If you can delete the one which is not attached to the dynasty, that would be great. And the other ruler, “Mubashir ibn Sulayman”, was not attached to a dynasty, so he would need the same dynasty code as the one we keep.

(In case the one under the dynasty was here before, please check to see if it has its local name added--I cannot check until my requests are eventually approved.)

And the Nasrid dynasty rulers were added without the inclusion of the “Nasrid dynasty” section. Might seem redundant, but as mentioned before, I will request the name of the “Nasrid dynasty” to be changed to “Emirate of Granada” (a more proper country name), so the dynasty name can be retained in the ruling authority section. I will make that request today, by the by.  :)

All done :-)

Thank you!  :)

The distinction between the Taifa of Málaga and the Hammudid dynasty is very nuanced and there is disagreement, but for now I think we should follow the Vives y Escudero catalogue, which is the one used in most of the al-Andalus coins. So those Hammudid dynasty rulers should be moved to the Hammudid dynasty section and not be in the Taifa of Málaga Section.

I will get round to restart where I left off with adding info on the andalusian coins (might be months, I am so so busy 😩), and then I will study this question deeper (and many others) and maybe find a better solution. But I reiterate, for now for now I believe those Hammudid rulers should be in their own section and not in the Taifa of Málaga one.

The relevant sections:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/malaga_taifa-1.html

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/hammudid_dynasty-1.html

To me, it seems like all these coins should belong under the same issuer (we have coins of one ruler split between the two issuers; we have two under Malaga, then, chronologically, coins which came after those under the Hammudid dynasty, even though the confusion would be more from the start of the dynasty and not the end, if my understanding is correct).

So I guess the first thing to consider… do you think all these coins should be under the same issuer?

If we were to group all these coins in one place, I think it would be better to use Malaga (with the Hammudid dynasty being the ruling authority) because there was also the Hammudid dynasty in other issuers like Cordoba and Algeciras, and “Malaga” differentiates the dynasty from those other place. But if that is not actually accurate, we might be able to find a better way to distinguish the issuers.

The question which makes it especially confusing is that at the time, despite only ruling in Málaga, they still considered themselves to be the Caliphs of al-Andalus, at least until some point (meaning that this coin N#83959 could also be under the hammudid dynasty, for instance).

In this respect I think this is a very confusing time, but I'll do my best to try and research this a bit deeper and tell you what I understand from this period. For now, there's many possibilities solutions and I honestly don't know which is best. I'll get back to you all!

From what I have read, the Hammudid Caliphs of Cordoba did, in fact, have Cordoba--not just Malaga--with the last Hammudid Caliph (Yahya) eventually being expelled from Cordoba, which is when the Taifa of Malaga was formed. So, from that understanding, before 1026, the Hammudid coins would be for the Caliphate of Cordoba. And afterwards, when they were expelled and formed the Taifa of Malaga, the coins would just be for Malaga.

The chronology of rulers is also supported by the coins, as there were not Umayyad Caliphs producing coins for the Caliphate of Cordoba between 1016 and 1023 (when the Hammudids had Cordoba), for example.

Regardless, I am still looking forward to whatever you find.  x)

I have done a bit of research, and to give this a bit more visibility I will open a new thread, as this is marked as solved and will possibly be ignored or pass under the radar if still marked as solved.