Since this Country is not recognized internationally, it's not clear if its coins are really circulating or not.
There are coins issued on 1992 and 2018 that can be part of standard circulation but actually on Numista catalog some of 2018 are in this section and some other are cataloged as fantasy items. See the two catalog for easy evaluation:
Question is not really if they circulated or not (well yes we need to know, but first question is: are they “fantasy currency” > exonumia or legal > coins)
If everything else is moved to exonumia, Western Sahara will become a hole in the dashboard map that will be impossible to be filled. But that's another story…
Η κατάσταση άλλαξε σε Ολοκληρώθηκε.(Jarcek, 12 Οκτ 2023, 11:15)
I would suggest leave Sahaara coins as tokens inside the main issuer catalog, otherwise the collectors worldwide will be always missing the Africa map completion.
Sure, but why would he have different opinion that the catalogue he himself wrote? These tokens are just fantasies, so they do not belong into coin catalogue.
There are six official coins that can still be collected anyway. :)
1: “the leadership of the POLISARIO Front pays insufficient attention to official publications about commemorative coins of the SADR” (By the Author of the PDF, Anton Andreev)
2: “After Cuba recognized the independence of the SADR in 1980, the two countries developed particularly close relations” (same pdf, Footnotes) Cuba minted the tokens.
3: The autor says the coins were used as souvenirs by representatives of the POLISARIO Front in order ta promote the independence of The SADR, and he says “Such tokens are not recognized by the POLISARIO Front as legal tender on the territory of the SADR, and in this sense we cannot consider them as coins”. Of course they are not legal tender, and everyone agree they are tokens, but the fact that they do not circulated doesn't mean they cannot be linked to the issuer. Actually several non-circulating coins from several countries are not minted or legal tender in their own countries.
4: they have a km# number (ok this means nothing but Krause also is as reliable source as the PDF of our friend Anton)
5: Move all partially recognized issuers to the exonumia section since will always be blurry lands. (Not recommended)
6: In doubt we should leave as they were. The happiness of the Numista community 😃
7: Or: Open a poll and the Numista community will decide. And I already know the result.
What is a legal tender is not up to collector community really. Nobody is removing those fantasy coins from the catalogue and nobody forbids anyone from collecting them. I am just doing something called cataloguing.
What is a legal tender is not up to collector community really. Nobody is removing those fantasy coins from the catalogue and nobody forbids anyone from collecting them. I am just doing something called cataloguing.
Where did from those KM numbers came for the following Western Sahara coins?
Why would you think you have complete map when you have fantasy piece?
It is not recognized state, so I will keep Krause, wiki, and the interpretations that says so.
Western Sahara is recognised by most countries as part of Morocco.
Everything in the name of ‘Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic’ should be shifted to either ‘Exonumia’ or to the ‘States with Limited Recognition’ section.
Why would you think you have complete map when you have fantasy piece?
It is not recognized state, so I will keep Krause, wiki, and the interpretations that says so.
Western Sahara is recognised by most countries as part of Morocco.
Everything in the name of ‘Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic’ should be shifted to either ‘Exonumia’ or to the ‘States with Limited Recognition’ section.
Aidan.
Then, since there were no coins and is not recognized, the part of the Africa region should be colored if the user have a Morocco coin.
You know, Jarcek destroyed the hope and dreams of every Numista user who wanted to complete the map 😆
The remaining on the catalog are all NRI 90+
That's what I was talking about.
The remaining coins are as rare as genuine Panama banknotes. And the only other option is a medieval caliphate (Almoravids).
The whiteness on the map is a symbol of the limbo situation of the area… And that won't change unless something new happens.
If Spain had created a colonial issue for the Spanish Sahara… We wouldn't have this problem.
But I get it that it wasn't necessary due to the not big distance between the two.
Yeah it's really sad honestly. It's the same with my banknotes. I'll never be able to complete Africa because of the bloody Western Sahara. Maybe if they lumped it in with Morocco (since it technically does use its currency) it wouldn't be an issue.
But then again, Liechtenstein uses Swiss Francs but they're also separated. So maybe there ought to be a change with how some countries work in regards to ones that use the same currency as others (Like Switzerland/Liechtenstein, Ecuador/United States, etc).
Perhaps we could have a map light up for where coins were used at the time. For example, current US pennies could light up the US, her colonies (Puerto Rico or Guam), and other countries or colonies that use the Dollar (Ecuador, Micronesia, or Turks and Caicos Islands). However, I don't know how plausible this is from a programming perspective.
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Perhaps we could have a map light up for where coins were used at the time. For example, current US pennies could light up the US, her colonies (Puerto Rico or Guam), and other countries or colonies that use the Dollar (Ecuador, Micronesia, or Turks and Caicos Islands). However, I don't know how plausible this is from a programming perspective.
Zimbabwe also uses American Dollars - along with several other currencies.
East Timor & Panama both use their own coins & American Dollars.
Perhaps we could have a map light up for where coins were used at the time. For example, current US pennies could light up the US, her colonies (Puerto Rico or Guam), and other countries or colonies that use the Dollar (Ecuador, Micronesia, or Turks and Caicos Islands). However, I don't know how plausible this is from a programming perspective.
Zimbabwe also uses American Dollars - along with several other currencies.
East Timor & Panama both use their own coins & American Dollars.
Aidan.
Several tiny islands in the Pacific also use either US or New Zealand dollars too.
They are also covered by the Japanese Occupation of Oceania banknotes, but there aren't any occupation coins.
Not really because it has it's own legitimate coins from centuries ago, and also has an agreement with Switzerland (that I didn't know about until today) so even their modern non-circ. CCs are kinda legit.
The 1980 treaty between Switzerland and Liechtenstein allows Liechtenstein to mint limited amounts of Swiss francs with a Liechtenstein inscription, but only in the form of commemorative coins (mainly issued for collectors), and they are not allowed to issue banknotes.
I applaud the decision to move Sahrawi Pesetas to Exonumia
Accepting Coins from Western Sahara is as if accepting Artsakh Dram or Somaliland Shillings as Normal Coins
This is absolutely absurd to incorporate Break-away territories into a map
The Krause might say it as Standard Circulation but Anton says
Somaliland Shillings circulate as banknotes - but the coins are non-circulating.
Nothing wrong with listing Somaliland as a separate country - & indicating where it is on the map.
Artsakh is in the process of being dissolved into Azerbaijan - & the majority of Artsakh's population have fled to Armenia, therefore, the Artsakhi Dram will be a dead currency anyway.
I do t ask to ask SADR fromthe same reason as you mention. I ask if someone ask cuban mint. Maybe they will respond
And I dont agree with you. In this business credibility is important. Would u buy coins from big companies knowing that they sell fakes? They live from selling coins. Of course anyone can be mistaken. In numismatic you see as much as you know.
I know example were one polish auction company lost credibility because other company find out that theirs grade is much more then coin really is.
Nauru, Niue and a number of other countries jut selling their “coin domain” . I can ask them to struck 5 dollar coin with “Happy Birthday, dear Sofia” ( I mean my wife) , and they will issue such coin with any design, I will send them. I just have to pay a couple thousands dollars for it. It depends on mintage. of course its not real coin, but modern numismatics should get a good lesson from it, in other way it will come into the dead end. here in Georgia, I know guys, who made such a business in pandemic years, when people did not know where to spend money, sitting in their homes. They create coin designs with Georgian national heroes, Georgian Mythology, epic and so on themes, and struck as Niue 5 dollar coins. :) these silver 5 dollars coins were selling here in pandemic period for $ 300-400-even 500 in the first year. Then people understood that it was just an easy way to earn some money, and business crushed.
SADR coins - I agree they are all fantasy, even the first family. There was an information vacuum, and fantasy coinage as massive business was a very new stuff. Krause catalog is a good , but sometimes too funny. I think, it anyway did its job in 20th century - thanks .
Nauru, Niue and a number of other countries jut selling their “coin domain” . I can ask them to struck 5 dollar coin with “Happy Birthday, dear Sofia” ( I mean my wife) , and they will issue such coin with any design, I will send them. I just have to pay a couple thousands dollars for it. It depends on mintage. of course its not real coin, but modern numismatics should get a good lesson from it, in other way it will come into the dead end. here in Georgia, I know guys, who made such a business in pandemic years, when people did not know where to spend money, sitting in their homes. They create coin designs with Georgian national heroes, Georgian Mythology, epic and so on themes, and struck as Niue 5 dollar coins. :) these silver 5 dollars coins were selling here in pandemic period for $ 300-400-even 500 in the first year. Then people understood that it was just an easy way to earn some money, and business crushed.
SADR coins - I agree they are all fantasy, even the first family. There was an information vacuum, and fantasy coinage as massive business was a very new stuff. Krause catalog is a good , but sometimes too funny. I think, it anyway did its job in 20th century - thanks .
I agree with you Dato, i dont find a reason why 1st issue should be in main catalog. SADR has unsettled status so the coins too. I vote to move them all to fantasy section.
