1730 Kreuzer, unable to ID [επιλυμένο]

Hello friends!

I don't know a way to find out from were this coin is, found a very simmilar

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces174101.html  but the left shield is different also the letter at the bottom, so I guess is from another state

Also found this one with the letter “K” but again left shield different

N#91944

Any clue were should I look?

Diameter: 14mm

weight: 0.37g

Thank you for any comment

Geison

Hello,Geison! I don't understand why you say that the 2 coins you found in database (Ulm & Obwald) are different from yours!? For me,I find that both + yours are 3 coins very,very similar all three(one compared to each other!). They are old and low value denominations,so the dies couldn't be perfect,small differencies may be usual…

I think the ''clue'' to identify almost surelly your coin is its metal: yours seems to be made of billon(low silver alloy) and so the same is the Obwald coin. The Ulm coin was minted in copper. Pity is that your coin has the value of ½(kreutzer) completely rubbed off… this diminishes alot its collectable value.

So,I say your coin is the one from the helvetic canton Obwald.

Andi👋

Thank you for your quick help Andi!

But I guess the different shield (with different monogram) means a different House, so can be a totally different state, as I've been seen in other German States;

 Yes, but your original post said the left shield. 

Your new picture shows the right shield. 

ZacUK

 Yes, but your original post said the left shield. 

Your new picture shows the right shield. 

Sorry, my mistake.

Hi again,Geison!

The things are as follows & there is also a ''big'' problem: Using the KM catalogue of ''World Coins'', I took one by one all the German States of the 18-th. century and none of them has (for the denomination ½ kreutzer) this type of coin with 3 shields. Including ULM!!!

So,I don't know from where the Numista cat. took their information + photo for ULM and his type coin,minted in copper. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THESE!

But… the only place where I found such coin is the Swiss canton of Obwalden! So,no matter the monograme you show,the type of the coin and its 

general design are prevalent!!!

And…I repeat,ONLY the Obwalden has it(even if  with different monogram on one shield) ; also,the letter K is said to be in reality an R.

In my conclusion,your coin HAS NOT how to be from another state/country/canton….other than Obwalden-Unterwalden Swiss canton!

Andi👋

I think different types of coat of arms were used on the Obwalden coins

https://www.ma-shops.com/raffler/item.php?id=15771

https://www.ma-shops.com/raffler/item.php?id=23462

https://www.ma-shops.com/sesambestcoins/item.php?id=53277

Yes,Geison,thanks to Mariusz the ''solution'' is completed: Please see that the first 2 links he provided show 2 Obwalden coins with exactly the 2 monograms on shield you were talking about: your coin's & the one of Numista cat.

So,as I said,the only place to find this type coin is Obwalden(even if with 2 different monograms on Coat of Arms).

Without an answer,up to now,remains the question: ‘’WHY the Numista cat. shows at the German State of Ulm this type coin as minted also there & the KM cat. doesn't?''

Andi👋

The Ulm listing as a reference to Nau. Anyone have that book?

I suspect that is not the right photo for an Ulm coin.  

And yes, it seems the correct ID is Obwalden.  We see that HMZ 2-740 has at least 6 variants (a-f).

I agree that it is an Obwalden ½ Kreuzer.  

Also, the letter is most likely a “K” for the mintmaster Karl Franz Krauer (according to the Divo/Tobler catalogue).