Canada: mints and mint marks? General for all denominations.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces325.html

I'm just putting aside some new coins in my Canada collection, 2020 and 2021, and it kind of upsets me that I find the mint in the usual place and then in the year line I find the mint mark.



Here are the mints as of today:



To avoid the double mobble of mints and mint marks we would just to have to define the mints more precisely like this?

Empty Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada (No mint mark)
L Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada (CRM logo)
P Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada (Letter P / "Composition mark")
WP Royal Canadian Mint, Winnipeg Canada

Thus we can free a lot of space in the year lines and get the sort of the year lines in a better order, by this I mean the circulation should be the first year line inside a year range.

That makes (almost) perfect sense. The problem is that it can't be done in the Mints section. Each mint is from a drop down list. Comments can't be added there. It would have to be added to the Comments section.

We just have to change the drop down list then, why would that be a problem?

Can't change the drop down list. It is basically every mint listed here: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/mints.php

You would have to add additional mints to the list with whatever comment you would want for each particular coin. Maybe a comment field could be added to the Mint section like this but that's a whole different discussion in a different forum.

I would change the existing text in the drop box, for the Canadian mint, I still can't see, why it cannot be done? Not by me of course, but the database manager certainly can do that?

Two reasons come to mind:

If you change the text in the drop down box for this coin then that change automatically gets applied to every coin in the catalog that was made by that mint (including all non-Canadian coins). Does the change apply to every coin made?

How would you change the text for this:
Empty Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada (No mint mark)
L Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada (CRM logo)
P Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada (Letter P / "Composition mark")
There's only one Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada in the list. You'd have to create two new Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada with different comments.

I understand what you're saying about overriding the text of the mint for this coin (only) administratively but I just don't think the database properties of the software structure will allow it.

Like this:
RCM (Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada / No mint mark)
L RCM (Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada (CRM logo))
P RCM (Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada (Letter P / "Composition mark"))
WP RCM (Royal Canadian Mint, Winnipeg Canada)

Which is the search criterium in the mint congo box (Mint name and or code?)

of course you would keep the coding already in place for non Canadian coins minted in Ottawa, and apply this new mint code only for Canadian coins.

I still can't see the problem?

PS, I have a problem with the dates indicated in the Ottawa lines, since none is given for Winnipeg. Wikipedia indicates 1976 as an opening date, so that has to be modified as well. If that's possible, then my suggestion can also be realized

Απόσπασμα: "Sjoelund"​​Which is the search criterium in the mint congo box (Mint name and or code?)

PS, I have a problem with the dates indicated in the Ottawa lines, since none is given for Winnipeg. Wikipedia indicates 1976 as an opening date, so that has to be modified as well. If that's possible, then my suggestion can also be realized.
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Mint name.

Only two choices for RCM:
Royal Canadian Mint, Ottawa Canada (1908-date)
Royal Canadian Mint, Winnipeg Canada



Yes that's possible by requesting it (like this: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic115719.html) and will automatically change every coin page in the catalog with that mint.

For the moment that is!

That's why I would introduce the RCM abreviation as the mint to be used for Canadian coins, since all other coins minted in Canada, shouldn't be affected.

Still can't see what's wrong with my logic.

Everything could be accomplished quite easily for this coin and any other mint/coin/country with my suggestion of adding a comment field to the Mint section. I think I will do just that.

I think your logic is fine. I just think it's not possible with the current structure of the site.

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic120123.html

With my suggestion the input would look like this:


The coin page would look like this:


and the year lines would look like this:


Logical?

Hi,

I think maybe someone mixed things up a little bit with the P mark.

It does indicate a plated coin not the mint.

hum ?!?

Απόσπασμα: "Québécois"​Hi,
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​I think someone mixed things up a little bit with the P mark.
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​It does indicate a plated coin not the mint.
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​hum ?!?
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​I saw that too. I think the comment is mixed up and should be "NOTE: 2006 last 'P' composition mark used and the maple leaf logo introduced as well." All these coins L, P and WP are plated. 2006 is just the year of the transition from the Composition mark to the RCM logo.

Actually now that I think about it, the P on the coin was probably initially chosen because the coin was plated (hence the "composition" mark) which was abandoned in 2006 when the RCM logo started to be used, so that comment does make sense.

The P is still in use, mostly for collector Silver coins Gold or Rhodium plated etc. 

Circulation coins are usualy minted with the RCM logo in Winnipeg ( or Ottawa), other collection coins or commemorative coins have no mint mark unless if minted in Winnipeg. They are usually minted in Ottawa. 

These are the guidelines but the RCM seem to by-pass their own guidelines. Both plant can do circulation or collector coins if needed and no one will know about it unless they add the W for Winnipeg when they mint collector or commemorative coins. 

Again I insist on USUALLY. 

Regards,

PS in early 19xx years some gold coins were added with a C for Canada. They were minted by the British mint before.

Still I would like to see "RCM logo" disappear from the year lines, since when it's an "L" it's automatically the RCM logo......

I wasn’t a member back in 2006 when this was decided. I suppose they had a discussion about this and it was decided this way.

It should be mention somewhere when the RCM logo is added to a coin. Either there or the description/comment field.

If the admins decide to change this, I hope they can use Mr Robot to make all these changes. It’s alot of work.

Απόσπασμα: "Sjoelund"​Still I would like to see "RCM logo" disappear from the year lines, since when it's an "L" it's automatically the RCM logo......

​I just submitted a CR to fix this. Notice how the French page doesn't have all those "composition" and "RCM logo" comments on the year lines?

Thanks everybody
Ole

The 25 cents mentionned in your original post is fixed now. I will add the other denominations to my TODO list and eventually, find time to fix all this...after the priority stuff

What can one ask more, the main thing is to know it will be done. Thanks

A picture of the logo should be added to the mint data so the mint lines on the page can include the image.

Απόσπασμα: "bjherbison"​A picture of the logo should be added to the mint data so the mint lines on the page can include the image.

​Suggestion and CR made back in February : https://fr.numista.com/forum/topic117232.html

It probably not possible to do it or the person who does this has been busy with other more important requests. Let’s wait another 3 months and I will do a follow up.

You might want to create an image of the symbol in black and white (preferably a bit bigger) but even then now that Strato has left it might be that nobody will look at such requests for a long time.

Edit:
Here you can add this to your request

Mintmark image has been added.

Note for the letters (L, P, etc.): If it's a mint letter it shall be indicated in the dedicated mint letter field (next to the year), if it is not a mintmark but an indication (plated, etc.) it shall be indicated in the comment of the line.

Quote: "rsirian1"​Actually now that I think about it, the P on the coin was probably initially chosen because the coin was plated (hence the "composition" mark) which was abandoned in 2006 when the RCM logo started to be used, so that comment does make 

 

Just to be sure the P mark wasn’t replace by the logo. The logo indicate a circulation coin. It happen to be that almost all circulation coins are plated.

 

Edit: We also have collector's coin with the logo.

Hello,

Just to be sure we don't have any problems with copyrights, I made these one myself (with the circle around) :

Workaround, one might say?

IdolenzYou might want to create an image of the symbol in black and white (preferably a bit bigger) but even then now that Strato has left it might be that nobody will look at such requests for a long time.

Edit:
Here you can add this to your request

 

Looks like a ‘WM’ logo for the Winnipeg Mint.

 

Aidan.

Extract from the RCM web site: https://www.mint.ca/en-us/discover/canadian-circulation/2-dollars

 

In 2006, we also introduced the Mint Mark on the obverse side of all Canadian circulation coinage. The Mint Mark encompasses the three elements of the Mint's corporate name: M for Mint; a Maple leaf for Canadian; and a crown for Royal and Crown Corporation. It features the Mint design within a circle and consists of a symbol depicting a stylized maple leaf emerging from the letter M.

 

Regards,