6 February 2022 - a special Commonwealth date

Hello all,

In less than a month, on Sunday, February 6th 2022 the Queen will celebrate her 70th anniversary on the throne. I suppose one of the reasons that very little is being said in anticipation of this celebration is that one cannot know for sure whether she will make it. Her husband died weeks before his hundredth birthday, and there is this American celebrity who just died, weeks before her hundredth as well, who had been interviewed recently and said she felt in great shape and was looking forward to her hundredth...

In the case of the Queen, there is also the issue of her changing significance to the different Commonwealth nations. Just recently, Barbados became a republic, so that the Queen "lost" one state (i.e. she is no longer the Queen of Barbados). In Canada, as I think I said before in other threads, the Royals are much less significant to the culture of this country than they used to be. Yes, of course, the Queen is still the head of state (something that not many people even understand here), but beyond that, Royal events are much less significant than they used to be, and few make the news. Many years ago I did some research in 1927 issues of The Hamilton Spectator (Hamilton being a city 45 minutes SW of Toronto). I was amazed to see all the news about the Earl of this and the Duchess of that...

I have heard nothing so far from the Royal Canadian Mint about the seventieth. Again, this is to be expected, but my prediction is that it will be celebrated on coins and banknotes, certainly, but not on the same scale as many of the earlier celebrations. So, I would expect a circulating commemorative $20 note like the one that was issued for "the longest reign". I suppose it is likely that circulating coins will be dated 1952-2022, just like the RCM did in 2002 with the double-dated 1952-2002 issues, but note that they didn't do anything of the sort in 2012 for the sixtieth. (I suppose there were NCLTs, but I don't know for sure.)

As for the other members of the Commonwealth, including the UK, I don't know whether any announcement was made, but I suspect not.

https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/the-queens-platinum-jubilee/
Also on there is a countdown ...
https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/the-queens-platinum-jubilee/counting-down-to-the-platinum-jubilee/

Ah, interesting!

I just checked the RCM website again but I can't find any hint about the platinum jubilee. We usually get pre-release announcements, but nothing so far even if the celebration is less than a month away.

I just checked their Facebook page and nothing there either.

BTW, I see that the 2022 circulating coins have the regular date "2022" and not "1952-2022". In 2002, all circulating coins had the double "1952-2002" date. There are still quite a few of them in our change.

I think there will be quite a few countries that will put out something to commemorate Queen Elizabeth II's Platinum Jubilee - including Nauru & Sierra Leone - both Commonwealth republics that have commemorated major royal events on their N.C.L.T. medal-coin issues.

Queen Elizabeth II's 2021 Christmas Message did mention both the Platinum Jubilee & the 2022 Commonwealth Games in Birmingham.

She looked pretty well when I saw her on telly - & pretty stoic since the death of Prince Philip.

Aidan.

For sure all countries where the Queen is still head of state will have some sort of numismatic commemoration. Hopefully this will include circulating coins and notes, not just NCLT medal-coins.

I just checked the websites of the Royal Australian Mint and the NZ Mint and neither has anything on the Jubilee. The NZ Mint doesn't seem to even have a "News and Media" page and is much more interested in Disney and other cartoon collectibles; I suppose Canada has been a bad influence on the rest of the world. I couldn't even find any page about NZ circulating coins...

Watch this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkkZdeAoF9A .

Aidan.

Why would have a private mint anything to do with the circulating coins of New Zealand?
New Zealand gets it's coins from the Royal Mint and Royal Canadian Mint. If you want to know about issued coins look on the page of the institution that issues said coins, the Reserve Bank of New Zealand.

Απόσπασμα: "Idolenz"​Why would have a private mint anything to do with the circulating coins of New Zealand?
​New Zealand gets it's coins from the Royal Mint and Royal Canadian Mint. If you want to know about issued coins look on the page of the institution that issues said coins, the Reserve Bank of New Zealand.

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New Zealand Mint has never struck anything in the name of New Zealand.

The Royal Canadian Mint in Winnipeg strikes the 10, 20, & 50 Cents.

The Royal Mint in Llantrisant strikes the 1 Dollar & 2 Dollars.

Aidan.

Aaaahhh.

When I searched for New Zealand, I didn't even think about the fact that, still now, they might not strike their own coins (I didn't know that fact). The first "coins" I saw were so much like the Canadian cartoon "coins" that I assumed it was some official NZ Mint website. I'm actually relieved it's not.

So, looking at the Reserve Bank of NZ website, there seems to be nothing on the upcoming Jubilee. I don't know whether NZ makes announcements of forthcoming commemoratives, so I don't know whether it's a departure from their usual policy.

Yes, based on her Christmas message, the Queen looks like she is in great health for her age. Maybe she'll celebrate her 80th...

I recently toured the Royal mint and struck this coin
this one has the queens head, however there is another one with the same stylized 70 reverse, but an equestrian portrait of the queen on the obverse

Yes, just seen it ...
https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/the-queens-platinum-jubilee/brilliant-uncirculated-two-coin-set/
with 1,952 limited edition mintage, for the pair - your coin and that other one.
Price was £26 but already sold out.

Απόσπασμα: "Camerinvs"​Yes, based on her Christmas message, the Queen looks like she is in great health for her age. Maybe she'll celebrate her 80th...

​The Queen is immortal or realistically more likely going to become a centenarian.

Thanks guys, very interesting.

I still hope Canada (and the UK and other Dominions) will have circulating coins added to the lot. If so, it would make sense to release them on February 6th.

The Jubilee would have been a great opportunity for Canada to finally introduce a fifth portrait. Our fourth portrait was introduced almost two decades ago, in 2003.¹

And just a note on stamps... No doubt there will be a commemorative issue released on February 6th. If stamp collectors still do as in the old days, they'll get those stamps at the post office and send letters postmarked on that very day. It's a type of curiosity that is not likely to gain much value over time, but hopefully people do it for the story it tells, not in the hope of profit.

Addendum: There's nothing either on the Bank of Canada website.

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¹Portraits: 1st 1953-1964; 2nd 1965-1989; 3rd 1990-2003; 4th 2003-...

6th February 2022 is also the 182nd anniversary of the Treaty of Waitangi here.

It was the day Maori gave up their sovereign rights to Aotearoa in the name of the British crown. But I don't hold grudges, it was 182 years ago - we have all grown up and moved on.

Also New Zealand has minted coins and medals in the past - just not on a national sense. Many medals were minted here privately, I have an 1897 medal of QV that has Wellington, NZ on it. In the 1980s the Auckland Coin and Bullion exchange minted gold 1 ounce bullion rounds and now the NZ Mint privately mints silver rounds.

We also had a branch of Bradbury Wilkinson printing banknotes for New Zealand and some Pacific Island nations like Fiji in the 1980s.

However 6 February 1952 was the day King George VI died and we count her Majesty's accession from that date. It was also the day Queen Victoria married Prince Albert in 1840.

I was actually a little surprised that NZ still doesn't have its own national (or royal) mint. Perhaps in the calculation of costs and benefits, contracting is seen as a better policy, but this means that a number of highly skilled professional positions are created elsewhere.

NZ is also the country for which it is perhaps the most difficult to determine when it formally gained its independence. I suspected that the Queen's titles had evolved over time, and indeed this happened in the early to mid-1970s. (The Wikipedia page on this seems to be quite good.)

Also, no doubt the NZ legislators, like all other nations where the Queen is head of state, were quick to change the law of succession when male preference was abolished in the UK. Otherwise, there potentially could have been a queen-successor in the UK while the laws of other states still allowed for younger male heirs to have precedence over an older sister. Of course, given that Charles is next in line, and then his two sons and grandson George, this is an extremely remote possibility for a very long time.

UsefulCharts on YouTube has a number of fine videos on the European and other royal families, including of course the UK. Here is his video on the family tree of British monarchs from Alfred to Elizabeth II, and on the current line of succession.

Full independence came in 1947, however we were a Dominion and thus were not really kept the same as say a colony in the tropics.

New Zealand was a colony from 1840 to 26 Sep 1907 when we gained Dominion status and ruled our own affairs including foreign policy, UK sovereign was head of state only.

The Westminster statue of 1933 ratified that and 1947 was independence in name.

In reality we have been sailing our own ship since the last Governor was succeeded by a Prime Minister in 1890 (John Ballance) and they became Governor Generals.

The position of Governor-General replaced that of Governor in 1917.

New Zealand became a Dominion on 26 September 1907 - along with Newfoundland.

The Statute of Westminster was enacted in 1931, but not enacted in New Zealand until 1947.

There was a Constitution Act passed in 1986 to terminate the right of the British Parliament to legislate in relation to New Zealand, & to repeal the 1852 Constitution Act.

Aidan.

So, the distinction between de facto and de jure independence is very relevant, as for pretty much all former Dominions.

In the words of Gavin McLean, former NZ Senior Historian with the Ministry for Culture and Heritage:

The colony became a dominion in 1907, and in 1947 it ratified the Statute of Westminster, making the country – now no longer a ‘dominion’, and soon to be called a ‘realm’ – fully independent. We were now New Zealand citizens, not Britons. (From this short essay.)

So 25 November 1947 is considered NZ's formal date of independence, even though passports were still said to be "British" for some years (in Canada passports still claimed we were British subjects long after the ratification of the Statute in 1932). And the new relationship between Great Britain and the former Dominions was further acknowledged when the Queen was recognized as the sovereign of each nation individually.

I suppose this is why her titles changed on British coins after only one year. She was styled BRITTanniarum: OMNium: REGINA (Queen of all the Britains) only on the 1953 coinage. As you know, the BRITT: OMN: was then dropped. By the way, I suppose the double TT is to indicate plural; the correct form is Britanniarum. "BRIT: OMN:" would have been ambiguous, meaning equally "of all Britain" or "of all the Britains".

EDIT: Another numismatic note: Even though NZ didn't ratify the Statute of Westminster until 1947, the bare headed portrait of George VI was used on coins. Contrast this with Newfoundland where the crowned portrait was used, stressing their subordination to the British government since 1934.

Απόσπασμα: "ZacUK"​https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/the-queens-platinum-jubilee/
​ Also on there is a countdown ...
​https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/the-queens-platinum-jubilee/counting-down-to-the-platinum-jubilee/

​ Just looked at that countdown, and under 4 days 7 hours to go >

Yes! It's getting close...

I have been checking the links in the posts above quite regularly, but nothing... nothing. The RCM has a new announcement on its Media Room page as of today, but it's about the 175th of Alexander Graham Bell.

The Australian Mint News & Media page has been updated as of January 14th for Feb. 3rd issues, but not a word on February 6th.

Nothing either on the Reserve Bank of NZ News page.

Oh, and neither on the Bank of Canada's Press page.

I expect a "Surprise!" news outburst on the morning of the 6th... but I'll check the links a few more times until then.

Possibly the Royal Mint are co-ordinating the releases with the other mints?

I don't know for the other mints and paper money issuers, but certainly not for Canada. The RCM and BoC have been doing their own thing for a long time.

Since NZ does not have its own mint, perhaps it's a possibility for them? Some of our Numista friends will know better than I do.

Less than 4 days:

Yes you were right - We were British subjects until January 1st 1949.

Anyone born before that date had an automatic right to a British passport and citizenship. Since then it is the Grandfather clause meaning a grandparent of yours had to have been born in the UK, if you were born after 1/1/1949.

This meant my Maori father, who had a Grandmother born in Surrey in 1905 got into England as a resident in 1991, yet my Pakeha (White) mother had no such rights as she was at the least a 5th generation New Zealander (All her ancestors arrived here between 1862 and 1879!

Any New Zealander born after 1/1/1949 is eligible for NZ citizenship only, unless they can invoke a grandparent clause (And in that regard they must choose NZ or UK), otherwise for us entering the UK, we are non EU citizens and thus the lowest category of migrant to them.

Απόσπασμα: "Camerinvs"​I don't know for the other mints and paper money issuers, but certainly not for Canada. The RCM and BoC have been doing their own thing for a long time.
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​Since NZ does not have its own mint, perhaps it's a possibility for them? Some of our Numista friends will know better than I do.
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​Less than 4 days:
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​Jersey/Guernsey/Isle of Man I'm sure have already issued a diarrheoa of NCLTs

Interesting situation, Moneytane. I have done some amateur genealogy which lead to a few surprising discoveries. In your case it would be worthwhile to collect the information and (self-)publish it. I am thinking about it for my own family because the books that already exist are very amateurish and poorly organized.

I've checked again the links above and no news. The Aussies are more concerned about dinosaurs, for some reason.

I checked the Canada Post media page as well but there's no pre-announcement of any sort.

At the time of writing, 1 day, 8 hours, 3 minutes, 59 seconds left.

Απόσπασμα: "ashlobo"​
Jersey/Guernsey/Isle of Man I'm sure have already issued a diarrheoa of NCLTs

Also the Salomon Islands, of course, though I think these two medals are duplicates unless there really is a smaller and larger version of the same denomination:

$10 medal 3.11 g
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$10 medal 8 g

Statistical data:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-reigning_monarchs

Camerinus - I think you mean Solomon Islands, Salomon is the French spelling. Solomons is English and Native language speaking.

I think NZ are doing commem coins for the Queen, we always do and no doubt a plethora of stamps as well.

Moneytane ─ Indeed, Solomon. I suppose it's the biblical name.

I wouldn't be surprised if a stamp album appears on the market just for the Platinum Jubilee stamps, in a year or so from now.

Now imagine if the Franklin Mint was still in business...

oynbcn ─ One of the stupidest myths going around is that Wikipedia is written by teenagers, and then one points to a really bad Wikipedia page, as if that proved the point. Wikipedia can actually be very good and is often written by experts or good amateur historians. This "Longest Reigns" page (which I knew, and a great time to mention it) is very good and even points to the fact that, as Queen of independent Jamaica, she has not yet reached 60 years.

Possibly missing are the Isle of Man and the two Bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey, where Elizabeth rules as Lord (Man) and Duke of Normandy (Jersey and Guernsey), not as Queen of the United Kingdom.

On the topic of coins...
I have a 1 dollar 1939 commemorating the royal visit to Canada,
and I feel like thet was less of an event than the Queen's 70 years on throne.
I would love to see a circulating 1 dollar sivler coin simmilar to the old silver dollars, (or a nickel dollar would be also fine...)
...But I fell that with the current status of the world and the protests in US and Canada last year that it will not happen.

You want a 1 dollar circulating silver coin?
That would contain 1g of silver max do you want something like a Mexican peso .100 Ag?

Απόσπασμα: "Idolenz"​You want a 1 dollar circulating silver coin?
​That would contain 1g of silver max do you want something like a Mexican peso .100 Ag?

​yes...
with the current prices of silver a .900 or .800 would be impossible
but a .100 could exist. I find some silver dimes and Quarters and have an obsession with siver coin roll hunting and adding some more silver into circulation would nobe bad...

The 1939 Royal Visit was a huge event back then. The quantity of memorabilia of all sorts is unsurpassed so far as I can tell.

There was of course the 1939 dollar, the most common date of that period (say, 1935-1945) because they struck so many of them.

The medals are numerous and mostly cheap (only seven in the Numista catalogue, but there are more).

Royal Visit philatelic covers are very easy to obtain as well. I have a few myself which I got for a few dollars.

There was commemorative silverware and china. I have two small silver spoons that have been in my family since then (like this one).

My theory is that the federal government and institutions (including the BoC and RCM) are not as enthusiastic as they used to be to celebrate Royal events. I think it has much to do with the current trend of dividing society along racial and ethnic lines because of new "theories" originating in the higher education (or "education" with quotes) system. I take this position as neither in support nor against the monarchy; just an observation of the current zeitgeist. I actually discussed this with a friend who is a professional historian and we'll both be interested to see how the Jubilee will be officially celebrated, beside a speech by Trudeau, and reported in the news.

EDIT: Just a regular (non-silver) circulating commemorative coin would be a great plus. At this point I'm not sure we'll even get that...

There was a thread about two or three years ago about the last circulating coins containing silver. If I remember correctly, Mexico (world first silver producer) was the last to do so in the 1990s.

Απόσπασμα: "Camerinv"​The 1939 Royal Visit was a huge event back then. The quantity of memorabilia of all sorts is unsurpassed so far as I can tell.
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​There was of course the 1939 dollar, the most common date of that period (say, 1935-1945) because they struck so many of them.
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​The medals are numerous and mostly cheap (only seven in the Numista catalogue, but there are more).
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​Royal Visit philatelic covers are very easy to obtain as well. I have a few myself which I got for a few dollars.
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​There was commemorative silverware and china. I have two small silver spoons that have been in my family since then (like this one).
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​My theory is that the federal government and institutions (including the BoC and RCM) are not as enthusiastic as they used to be to celebrate Royal events. I think it has much to do with the current trend of dividing society along racial and ethnic lines because of new "theories" originating in the higher education (or "education" with quotes) system. I take this position as neither in support nor against the monarchy; just an observation of the current zeitgeist. I actually discussed this with a friend who is a professional historian and we'll both be interested to see how the Jubilee will be officially celebrated, beside a speech by Trudeau, and reported in the news.
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​EDIT: Just a regular (non-silver) circulating commemorative coin would be a great plus. At this point I'm not sure we'll even get that...
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​There was a thread about two or three years ago about the last circulating coins containing silver. If I remember correctly, Mexico (world first silver producer) was the last to do so in the 1990s.

​I am not even sure we will get a speech from Trudeau as he is still in his bunker...

Απόσπασμα: "Camerinvs"​There was a thread about two or three years ago about the last circulating coins containing silver. If I remember correctly, Mexico (world first silver producer) was the last to do so in the 1990s.

​https://en.numista.com/forum/topic59898.html

Ah, yes, thanks!

Even from his bunker, I would expect Trudeau to at least mention the event and congratulate the Queen on this landmark.

Well, the count down is over!

I checked it out, expecting some fireworks, but the countdown just disappeared at 0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 0 seconds.

Απόσπασμα: "Camerinvs"​I checked it out, expecting some fireworks, but the countdown just disappeared at 0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 0 seconds.

​Does Queen Camilla count?

If you're interested in the succession, check out Useful Charts' re-uploaded video on the succession; it was updated 8 days ago.

Απόσπασμα: "Camerinvs"​If you're interested in the succession, check out Useful Charts' re-uploaded video on the succession; it was updated 8 days ago.

​Very interesting. Please forgive me, but being a yank I find this all confusing, so Camilla, being the future Queen-Consort to King Charles would cease being a Queen-anything if she survives her husband?

Just now, less than a minute ago, they said on the news that the Queen would like Camilla to be Queen Consort when (or if) Charles becomes King. According to the current state of affairs, she is not to become Queen Consort or Queen of any sort. I suppose Parliament will pass legislation to fulfill the Queen's wish. It would be weird if they did otherwise and reject the Queen's wish.

So Useful Charts will need to update his video yet again. He does a great job at explaining everything and dispelling myths about the succession.

That was the fireworks i was referring to.

Ah, OK! I didn't know yet!

EDIT ─ The Wikipedia "Longest Reigns" page has not yet been updated. I suspect it will happen at 7:30 AM, UK time, when it was discovered that the King had died during the night.

Here's the Canada issue with RM

https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/the-queens-platinum-jubilee/the-platinum-jubilee-celebration-two-coin-set/

Thanks Peter.

I don't think this is advertised anywhere on the RCM website!

I just found an article published this morning by the CBC that says something about why this event is subdued. It looks like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand ─by far the largest members of the Commonwealth with the UK─ have also adopted a subdued approach to the whole thing, including in the issuing of numismatic items. I checked again my links (they could have programmed a site update in the middle of the night) but nothing.

Is there also a joint issue UK-Australia? I'm going to check.

And I'm wondering whether there will be circulating issues. I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd be disappointed if only such deluxe NCLT-medal-coins were issued...

Congrats to the Queen on such a momentous anniversary.

On the FaceBook page of the RCM they announce the joint RM/RCM issue, and nothing else so far.

FINAL UPDATE

Here's what is new:

1 oz. Pure Platinum Coin - The Platinum Jubilee of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II 

Platinum Jubilee of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II Two-Coin Set 

Canada Post issues stamp to mark the platinum jubilee of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II 

That's it. And nothing, it seems, from Australia and New Zealand. I'm surprised (and not) by how little has been done numismatically, notaphilically, and philatelically. The "not surprised" part was explained above, but it's even less than I expected. Not a single circulating coin from the largest Commonwealth nations, and the mintages for the first two iyems linked ─as well as the price─ mean that virtually no one will even know those NCLTs were issued.

 

EDIT 2022-05-19 ─ A new RCM issue is about to be released: 

 

Special Edition Proof Silver Dollar – The Platinum Jubilee of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II 

And here is the Royal Australian mint Commemorative 50 cent for the Platinum Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II

This one is a Copper-nickel NCLT issued in a coin card mintage 70,000

N#326415

 

The RAM is also issuing an identical design Silver version mintage 7,500

N#326417

 

The Perth Mint have also released 1 Dollar Silver coin to commemorate the event mintage 5,000

N#328995

 

 

Mike

I have managed to get this;

 

 

 

I was so happy when it came along a few weeks ago.

 

Aidan.

Camerinvs

FINAL UPDATE



That's it. And nothing, it seems, from Australia and New Zealand. I'm surprised (and not) by how little has been done numismatically, 

Now you just have to be joking, we have way overdone the overpriced tatt. A 5 oz silver coin and a 1 oz silver coin and 3 gold ones, all wildly overpriced (Silver is US$21 an ounce or $35 NZD, the coin is $149!!)

 

 

NZ Post collectibles website - absolute overpriced rubbish, how about an affordable coin like the British have done. Greed has killed off our Post Office and Reserve bank.

 

https://collectables.nzpost.co.nz/coins/?sort=featured

 

Seriously, please research before you make blanket statements.

Never missing an opportunity to be rude and unpleasant, Moneytane, don't you? 

 

Seriously, if you have insecurity issues, please deal with them elsewhere than by insulting others on Numista.

 

I wrote that post on ********* FEBRUARY 7th ********* after checking the CAN / AUS / NZ websites.

I'm sorry, I am not being rude I am stating a fact. The truth hurts.

 

You seem to be insecure, because you are angry you have been proven wrong. I am not here to ego caress - this is not Numista's best friend forum to paraphrase Lashauwn Beyond in Rupauls Drag Race.

 

I saw May 20 and I assumed that was the date of your findings, also those coins were planned and issued in late 2021, they had actually sold out by March of this year.

 

I apologise for being right - woke much.

 

I don't write the rules babycakes, I merely enforce them.

 

PS - Do you see the word “Autism” in my signature, that means I have social cue delays and difficulties. I am also gay, so sadly bitchiness is in my ethnic make up. I need to get it out of my system or I will die like Roger the alien.

Moneytane

I'm sorry, I am not being rude I am stating a fact. The truth hurts.

 

You seem to be insecure, because you are angry you have been proven wrong. I am not here to ego caress - this is not Numista's best friend forum to paraphrase Lashauwn Beyond in Rupauls Drag Race.

 

I saw May 20 and I assumed that was the date of your findings, also those coins were planned and issued in late 2021, they had actually sold out by March of this year.

 

I apologise for being right - woke much.

 

I don't write the rules babycakes, I merely enforce them.

 

PS - Do you see the word “Autism” in my signature, that means I have social cue delays and difficulties. I am also gay, so sadly bitchiness is in my ethnic make up. I need to get it out of my system or I will die like Roger the alien.

Wow, just wow. This is more sad than it is infuriating. And using sexual orientation as an excuse… Wow… I wonder what other gay people on this site think of this.

 

Sorry, but you are rude because saying “Seriously, please research before you make blanket statements” is rude for such a little thing (and only if those NCLTs were issued as early as you claim). You sound like you're prone to virtue signaling, and we know that this is a typical woke feature, right? 

 

So, yes, you're woke (excusing your behaviour as you do) and I'm surprised you admit it. This is an irrational position in your case since you have attacked the woke elsewhere on this site. And I have to add that no, I'm not woke (before you even try using the “tu quoque” fallacy). The woke actually hate me, with dozens of them having “reported” two colleagues and me to our employer for having co-authored a letter supporting someone on this list of cancelled people.

 

So, sadly, your reply is quite irrational, claiming you're right and “not being rude” while at the same time saying that “bitchiness is in [your] ethnic [?] make up”. In addition, if you look at the evidence of how many times this happened when you replied abruptly to people, you should have realized some time ago already that the problem is not where you think it is. 

 

This is all unfortunate because you have made great contributions to this site as well…

 

_{********* ********* *********} 

 

In other news, I see that BCNumismatics got one of the circulating 50p coins. It's good that the UK chose the 50p for that one circulating commem since it's the most collected UK circulating coin.

 

I take note also of brismike's Australian addition and, in this post, of what peterjhalford reports.

I am glad you admit I have made some good contributions, but its always the bad ones people get remembered for.

 

However I am not woke in the slightest, like you I have been called out for being racist and insensitive (Deservedly and sadly I can't change it - you attack me using sexuality and race as an excuse, but if you research autism and its signs, even the higher functioning forms of it, saying inapropriate things is one of the biggies).

 

I have gone from ultra left to ultra right lately and my support of the royal family is wavering, I adore Her Majesty - she is easily the best person for the job and served the Commonwealth with distinction, but that will all change.

 

Can we bury the hatchet and just move on.

what's kinda odd is that Canada except one coin I've seen so far is not celebrating it on the coins not even a double date like 1952 over 2022 geez

silvergeek 

what's kinda odd is that Canada except one coin I've seen so far is not celebrating it on the coins not even a double date like 1952 over 2022 geez

Yes, exactly what I was saying somewhere early in this thread ☝️. We had the 1952-2002, but no 1952-2012, yet we had a special $20 for “the longest reign”. And now no circulating coin or note for the 70th…

 

Moneytane (1)

I am glad you admit I have made some good contributions, but its always the bad ones people get remembered for.

In human affairs, things are rarely all good or all bad, and ideally we should all strive towards the good. Unfortunately, the social media, for the majority of users, are echo chambers. I'm probably rather the exception with the incredible mix of followers I have on Twitter. I follow back almost everyone, even radical morons. Why do I follow them back? Because one needs to know his enemies. Also, there are some people I may disagree with, but they may well have rational arguments for their point of view, so this is worth taking into account.

 

 Moneytane (2) 

I have gone from ultra left to ultra right lately and my support of the royal family is wavering, I adore Her Majesty - she is easily the best person for the job and served the Commonwealth with distinction, but that will all change.

Personally, I have not moved an iota, but the left and the right have radicalized to such a point that it is comical:

 

👉 https://youtu.be/Ev373c7wSRg 👈

 

People here who tokenize indigenous minorities and pray to the altar of the Ibram X. Kendi religion consider me right wing. The academic sector is dangerously infected with Kendi's neo-racism.

 

 Moneytane (3) 

Can we bury the hatchet and just move on.

Yes. But let's hope there won't be any hatchet in the future… or as few of them as possible, since nothing is ever perfect.

oynbcnStatistical data:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-reigning_monarchs

 Just now announced on BBC news that today, a week after the jubilee, the Queen is now 

second on the list, taking that position from the ruler of Thailand. Still longest was Louis 14th. 

 He is listed as: 

72 years, 110 days 

 She is listed as Incumbent:  

70 years, 126 days 

 so around two years to be top of that list. 

 She is second on that list as Queen of 

Australia
Canada
New Zealand
United Kingdom 

 then further down the list she is also 14th as Queen of 

Jamaica [59 years, 310 days] 

That is crowned heads - yes she is 2nd.

 

However for other rulers (Like rulers inside an empire), Sobhuza I of Lesotho or Swaziland (I get them mixed up) was number 1 verified at 82 years and some days, being ruler from 1899 to 1982.

 

There is also a dispute over whether Seti II a 4th or 5th dynasty Pharoah of Egypt did rule for over 90 years along with Rameses II or III in the 19th dynasty.

Thanks for the updates!

 

The Egyptian Seti II evidence is probably a mistake (but of course worth mentioning in this context). If you have worked with ancient sources, you know that they are usually unreliable. You need several of them to countercheck any claim.

 

Imagine, we're not even sure in what year Julius Caesar was born, and Jesus Christ was likely born in 4 BC … that is, in 4 before Christ …

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Seti II case was one of conflation of two or more rulers. These things happen all the time in ancient sources, such as with the list of only seven kings of Rome over a period of 245 years, which is virtually impossible.

 

So, the next step for the Queen is to surpass King Louis XIV of France (1643-1715). I think she'll make it though she seems not to have been well in the past several weeks.