USA: 25 cents 1825, km44, always overdates (one of two)

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Comments?

Do we have permission to use the text verbatim from PCGS, even with the citation?

Απόσπασμα: "rsirian1"​Do we have permission to use the text verbatim from PCGS, even with the citation?

​I don't know. Do you think you can rephrase it, as would it be just something you always carry around in your head? I never found an image of the 5/3, so it will not be easy to argue for 3 varieties?

I don't believe 25/23 exist. The article from PCGS basically disproves its existence. Let me try to distill the PCGS text. I think it argues for only one 1825 coin but two different manifestations. I'll put together a visual representation of what the PCGS article is saying.

I think that's a good idea. We can also just use the images we have and forget the "missing" 25/23, then you don't loose any time?

Does this make sense? It's explains what the PCGS article is saying.



and in words: Five obverse dies were made with an 1822 date. One was used to make 1822 coins. One was used to make 1823 coins (overdate 3/2). One was used to make 1824 coins (overdate 4/2). The two remaining dies were overdated 4/2 for 1824 but not used. They were then used in 1825 by overdating the 4/2 with a 5 becoming 5/4/2. One of the dies created coins with the 2 prominent under the 5 (overdate 5/2) while the other created coins with the 4 prominent under the 5 (overdate 5/4).

It makes a lot of sense for me, but it is maybe not useful for the normal coin collector, since those dies were never used. So maybe cancel the last two points (4 and 5) and skip the first two top lines.

I find you did a damned good job on the synthesis and I'm sorry that I feel we should keep it simple. Actually it also means, that somewhere all those dies are still existing, hence all those not easy to recognize overdates on the coins, but surely on the dies??

I'll start to get ready for the New Year's Eve restaurant, where we have to be at 20:00 local time.

Happy new year and all the best for you and yours in the upcoming 2022. See you then.

4. and 5. were used, just not in 1824. They were the 2 dies used in 1825 that made the 2 1825 overdate varieties.

Go to dinner and have a good time. We can continue discussing this at another time.

Happy New Year!

Maybe?

I like it

Yea!

Coin page and year line changes:

Do you have an idea why I have put (1 of 2) in the title, since I cannot figure it out?

Why Original in the second last line?

Probably because there were 2 different overdates. I think it can be removed.

Just to keep the same terminology as the graphic:



Remove it from the year line?

Edit: Now that I thought about it again, I think "Original" should be removed from the year line.

I also changed into 'overdates', since we explain them all below!

Changed the order and wording