Something is rotten in the British Virgin Islands (2010 $5 Hans Christain Andersen) [επιλυμένο]

I was trying to obtain some information on the following coin I own:


When I went to Krause, I found two varieties, KM399 and KM400, neither of which have pictures. I then checked Numista, and the information here appears to be wrong. First the image for KM399 is for a coin which doesn't exist as far as I can tell. It's blue on both the obverse and reverse; while my coin is gold on the obverse and blue on the reverse. Second, the composition appears to be wrong, it says "Bimetallic: gold center in titanium ring." If you go to the listing for KM400, it shows a similar coin with silver ring around a gold obverse and blue reverse, which I believe to be colored titanium. I also believe the KM numbers are backwards, KM399 is the one with the silver ring.

KM399 link: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces39676.html

Km 400 link: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces113960.html

Does anyone have a copy of the COA for these coins, I found one online, but it's difficult to read?

I believe it says the silver ring version is 5 grams silver and 2 grams titanium (7 grams total) mintage 5,000. The other version, without the ring, is listed as 10 grams titanium, mintage 7,500.

COA link: https://www.goodnreadytogo.com/product/hans-christian-andersen-coin-bvi-titanium/

Here's the links to the Krause website, which has photos:

5 Dollars KM#399
5 Dollars KM#400

Yes. Clearly these need correction and modification in the Numista catalog. Here is what I was able to find so far. Hope this helps as this was only some preliminary research and it seems to align with your coin. Unfortunately it seems the link you provided, goodnready to go and Numista are the only two sites other than Ebay that have much information at all as far as photos and specifications. I couldn't find any photos on NGC either. This will take some homework.

https://www.allnumis.com/coins-catalog/british-virgin-islands/british-colony-1973-/5-dollar-2010-20228

Sorry, this was the best I could do.

Απόσπασμα: "Some_Nerd"​Here's the links to the Krause website, which has photos:
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​5 Dollars KM#399
​5 Dollars KM#400

​Thanks for the links, too bad they don't have all the info on the COA (I also think they have the weights reversed).

Απόσπασμα: "Steve27"​​When I went to Krause, I found two varieties, KM399 and KM400, neither of which have pictures. I then checked Numista, and the information here appears to be wrong. First the image for KM399 is for a coin which doesn't exist as far as I can tell. It's blue on both the obverse and reverse; while my coin is gold on the obverse and blue on the reverse. Second, the composition appears to be wrong, it says "Bimetallic: gold center in titanium ring." If you go to the listing for KM400, it shows a similar coin with silver ring around a gold obverse and blue reverse, which I believe to be colored titanium.

​My edition of Krause has pictures:



I have a whole set of 13 Titanium coins:


Unfortunately, there were only 12 Certificates of Authenticity and just the one with your coin is missing:


But all 12 COA's say the titanium coin is 10.00 g.:


So we can assume your coin is also 10.00 g. but that's not correct. I've weight a few, yours is 11.56 g., another one weighs 11.71 g. It's a pity we can't rely on the information given on COA's. By the way, the Pobjoy website also give 10.00 g. for each Titanium coin: https://www.pobjoy.com/british-virgin-islands-olympic-rings-titanium-bundle

All issues of the set were minted in solid titanium (990/1000) and the color was completed by an elaborate surface refinement (anodizing). As you can see on your coin (and on mine in the set), the coin is not as blue and gold coloured as on the Numismaster website. These coins are certainly not bimetallic.
The 75 $ coins are bimetallic, gold and titanium (not all the coins have a 75 $ version), and the 5 Olympic coins also have a 5 $ bimetallic version, silver and titanium. It's a pity the COA of the Hans Christian Andersen coin was missing in my set, it would have showed that 5 $ bimetallic silver and titanium coin too I guess.

Απόσπασμα: "Steve27"I also believe the KM numbers are backwards, KM399 is the one with the silver ring.

I don't believe the KM numbers are backwards, Krause (and Numista!) just messed up/mixed up some of the data. KM# 399 is the normal titanium coin, KM# 400 is the one with the silver ring but mintages are exchanged in Krause and weight for KM# 399 is wrong. Composition is in both cases wrong, the KM# 399 is not a bimetallic, just titanium and the KM# 400 is not a tri-metallic silver, gold and titanium, just a bimetallic titanium center with silver ring. The "gold" is just the anodized obverse colour.

According to the Krause links provided by Essor:
For KM#399- Numista shows 7,500 coins minted where it should show 5,000. Weight is correct.
For KM#400 - Numista shows 5,000 coins minted where it should show 7,500. Numista shows a weight of 7g where it should show 10g.
That adds to the confusion.

Απόσπασμα: "harryg"​According to the Krause links provided by Essor:
​For KM#399- Numista shows 7,500 coins minted where it should show 5,000. Weight is correct.
​For KM#400 - Numista shows 5,000 coins minted where it should show 7,500. Numista shows a weight of 7g where it should show 10g.

​According to the COA's and the Pobjoy website, the mintage in Numista is correct for both KM# 399 and KM# 400 (in Krause these are exchanged).
The weight for KM# 400 is also correct in Numista, for KM# 399 it should be 10.00 g. (theoretically, according to the COA and the Pobjoy website although in reality the weight is higher, around 11.6 g.). In Krause both weights are exchanged.
In Numista the diameter is wrong for KM# 399, it should be 36.1 mm in stead of 38.6, the same as the KM# 400.

Whatever the case, seems like the Pobjoy mint is a little confused about exactly what they produced or did a poor job disseminating the proper information. This is what happens when mints produce endless "collector coins" for revenue.

Απόσπασμα: "Essor Prof"​

Απόσπασμα: "Steve27"​​When I went to Krause, I found two varieties, KM399 and KM400, neither of which have pictures. I then checked Numista, and the information here appears to be wrong. First the image for KM399 is for a coin which doesn't exist as far as I can tell. It's blue on both the obverse and reverse; while my coin is gold on the obverse and blue on the reverse. Second, the composition appears to be wrong, it says "Bimetallic: gold center in titanium ring." If you go to the listing for KM400, it shows a similar coin with silver ring around a gold obverse and blue reverse, which I believe to be colored titanium.
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​​My edition of Krause has pictures:
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​I have a whole set of 13 Titanium coins:
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​Unfortunately, there were only 12 Certificates of Authenticity and just the one with your coin is missing:
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​But all 12 COA's say the titanium coin is 10.00 g.:
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​So we can assume your coin is also 10.00 g. but that's not correct. I've weight a few, yours is 11.56 g., another one weighs 11.71 g. It's a pity we can't rely on the information given on COA's. By the way, the Pobjoy website also give 10.00 g. for each Titanium coin: https://www.pobjoy.com/british-virgin-islands-olympic-rings-titanium-bundle
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​All issues of the set were minted in solid titanium (990/1000) and the color was completed by an elaborate surface refinement (anodizing). As you can see on your coin (and on mine in the set), the coin is not as blue and gold coloured as on the Numismaster website. These coins are certainly not bimetallic.
​The 75 $ coins are bimetallic, gold and titanium (not all the coins have a 75 $ version), and the 5 Olympic coins also have a 5 $ bimetallic version, silver and titanium. It's a pity the COA of the Hans Christian Andersen coin was missing in my set, it would have showed that 5 $ bimetallic silver and titanium coin too I guess.
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Απόσπασμα: "Steve27"I also believe the KM numbers are backwards, KM399 is the one with the silver ring.

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​I don't believe the KM numbers are backwards, Krause (and Numista!) just messed up/mixed up some of the data. KM# 399 is the normal titanium coin, KM# 400 is the one with the silver ring but mintages are exchanged in Krause and weight for KM# 399 is wrong. Composition is in both cases wrong, the KM# 399 is not a bimetallic, just titanium and the KM# 400 is not a tri-metallic silver, gold and titanium, just a bimetallic titanium center with silver ring. The "gold" is just the anodized obverse colour.

​Great info thanks! I also weighed mine, and I found it to be 11.45 grams, so yes the Pobjoy mint is confused.

And finally, here is the COA of your coin:

Απόσπασμα: "Essor Prof"​And finally, here is the COA of your coin:
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​Awesome!!! Thank you!!!