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german state

waldeck

km# 20

Include date 1780

Always give a link so not everybody has to search for the coin you're talking about.

Are you sure you don't have the KM# 20a? Because without pictures we can't check that:

thank you for the fast answerThe problem is that I cannot find a way to include the foto trough the numista I am including it trough the E-mail (sort of)I saw the data you mention but this coin has no mint mark

thank you fot your attention

Curious thing is the picture of the reverse for KM#20 is of a coin with a 1780 date.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces94098.html

Edit: With the Comment "Include the date I have the coin"

that is the problem
I Swap this coins about 20 years ago with a trader here in my hometown that died many years ago and received a lot of german coins at that time .I stopped collecting at that time and only last year due to pandemic I returned and star to classify about 2000 coins and found numista

Απόσπασμα: "rsirian1"​Curious thing is the picture of the reverse for KM#20 is of a coin with a 1780 date.

​Paul must have been drunk or severely sleep deprived to except that change request.
I would love to have access to the change history.

Απόσπασμα: "Idolenz"​

Απόσπασμα: "rsirian1"​Curious thing is the picture of the reverse for KM#20 is of a coin with a 1780 date.
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​​Paul must have been drunk or severely sleep deprived to except that change request.
​I would love to have access to the change history.

​Bahahahaha I was thinking something along the same lines.

Απόσπασμα: "Idolenz"​​​Paul must have been drunk or severely sleep deprived to except that change request.
​I would love to have access to the change history.

​Yes, it's a strange acceptance:
- The obverse has a lettering around the monogram F, so it's not a KM# 20
- It should be a KM# 20a although all KM# 20 and KM# 20a should bear the PS mintmark.
- Very strange copyright owner for the reverse:

So...to summarize (mostly for my own understanding, let me know if I got anything wrong):

1. alexandersp's coin is a KM #20a because of the 1780 date and the lettering on the obverse.
   
2. The Numista page for KM #20 has an incorrect picture for the reverse since there are no 1780 KM #20.
   
3. NGC mimics the Numista pages for both KM #20 and KM #20a.
   
4. Some (at least one) 1780 KM #20a were minted without the P.S. mintmasters initials. (Without this everything else falls apart.)
   

Απόσπασμα: "rsirian1"​Curious thing is the picture of the reverse for KM#20 is of a coin with a 1780 date.

​That picture is from the poster of this thread. At the moment he started this thread the picture of the reverse was still a picture of the same coin as the one on the obverse. The reverse pictures was changed in the hours between the start of this thread and this post of you.

Απόσπασμα: "rsirian1"​So...to summarize (mostly for my own understanding, let me know if I got anything wrong):​

1. alexandersp's coin is a KM #20a because of the 1780 date and the lettering on the obverse.​
   
2. The Numista page for KM #20 has an incorrect picture for the reverse since there are no 1780 KM #20.​
   
3. NGC mimics the Numista pages for both KM #20 and KM #20a.​
   
4. Some (at least one) 1780 KM #20a were minted without the P.S. mintmasters initials. (Without this everything else falls apart.)​
   

​Yes, that sums it all up I guess.

3. That's not so surprising. A lot of the data here on Numista comes from the Krause books and the same applies to the NGC website.
4. Yes, the absence of the mintmark is the strangest thing. And it doesn't look like that mint mark is worn away on the picture from alexandersp. But of course Krause is not the most extensive catalog. Maybe in a more specialized catalog there is such a coin without the mintmark.

Sent note to the referee.

Hello,

 

sorry that i did not see this before.

 

I replaced the pictures on KM20 so I believe this is now correct.

N#94098