Is this the world's best engraver?

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You're probably familiar with the names Arnold Machin, Raphael David Maklouf, and Ian Rank-Broadley.

Those were some of the engravers of Elizabeth's portrait. Aside from designing Elizabeth's portraits, what they all have in common is their talent. I'm sure there are just a handful of people who can engrave portraits that well on such a small scale.

George Edward Kruger Gray should sound like a familiar name as well. His initials KG (yes I know, so are my initials) are found on the reverses of many British coins, even today in countries like Canada. If you take a look at the reverse of a Canadian penny, you'll find his initials under the maple leaf. Although not his best design, the detail put into some of his coins, namely 1/2 crown designs such as this New Zealand piece, this design for South Africa (and the smaller denominations too), and Britain's main design are, put together, really impressive.

I find that George Edward Kruger Gray, with his many designs, make him the best engraver.
Kenny

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 My vote goes to Louis-Oscar Roty (designer of the French coins with La Semeuse on).

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic9230.html#p62134

See my replies on there -
 Posted: 12-Aug-2012, 08:09PM
 Posted: 13-Aug-2012, 07:10PM

   or other French engravers - Morlon or Pillet or Dubois (see below for one medal from each) ...

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On the topic of world's ugliest coins?

He's a pretty good engraver too. I was meaning coins, and he engraved only a few. However, his designs are iconic.
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  It was in response to someone else who also added beautiful coins, as an opposite!
I added three images since your reply; as in quite a few French engravers made great medals and coins.
Those three appear in Searches on here, and I did not know at the time you meant medals only.  8)
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Απόσπασμα: ZacUK...and I did not know at the time you meant medals only.  8)
Aha nah it's alright.

Leonard Charles Wyon was a good medal engraver. He's the guy who designed the late colonial portrait of Victoria. There are certainly a ton of great medal engravers from France, like Morlon and Patey, just to name a few.
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William Wyon, father of L.C. Wyon was a slightly superior engraver. Young Head Victorian coinage and the Una and Lion 5 pound are amongst his many credits.
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Zac, that first medal is truly beautiful; I see why you collect them.

 SmartOne and Phil - y'all need to post some links for me; I have know idea what coins y'all are referring to?
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Απόσπασμα: redsmithstudiosSmart one and Phill y'all need to post some links for me, I have know idea what coins y'all are referring to?
Links are on the top post, man! I got like 4 links up there.
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Walder Coins (a member here) has an article on William Wyon:

http://www.coinwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=William_Wyon_1795_to_1851

Also:

http://www.google.com/search?q=engravings+of+william+wyon&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=k_EvUMOCO4fs8gTq0oHQBg&sqi=2&ved=0CFIQsAQ&biw=1707&bih=866

I just realised that the Wyon family produced several generations of engravers but William and L.C. were the best known.
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Yes, I saw all those, the New Zealand Coin is very nice!

 I could google it but what about all the people who also might want to take a look. I was asking about these

 "Leonard Charles Wyon was a good medal engraver. He's the guy who designed the late colonial portrait of Victoria. There are certainly a ton of great medal engravers from France, like Morlon and Patey, just to name a few."
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!

Looking for pre 1783 coins
Another famous W. Wyon piece, Three Graces Crown:

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Απόσπασμα: pnightingaleAnother famous W. Wyon piece, Three Graces Crown:
Απόσπασμα: redsmithstudiosZac, that first medal is truly beautiful; I see why you collect them.
 That is nice pnightingale; never seen that before. And thanks redsmithstudios !

Patey engraved 25 coins found in a Search on here - this is my favourite
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1161.html

Morlon engraved 17 coins found in a Search on here - this is my favourite
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4366.html
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Thank you pnightingale for mentioning my article.  The Wyon family was a very talented family and William as you mentioned is generally regarded as being the most talented. His first cousin Thomas Wyon was also an immensely talented  engraver but died of TB at the age of 25 and I think that if he lived a natural life span his work would of at least equalled Williams. Personally I think William Wyon is the best engraver who has ever lived but I have always been fond of the George III engraving by Benedetto Pistrucci.  

I have an article on Thomas to but it is short as I have not yet been able to find much about him, below is a link to his page.

http://www.coinwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Thomas_Wyon_Junior_1792_to_1817
Benedetto Pistrucci deserves to be counted among the best engravers purely on the merits of the Saint George & Dragon used on UK Sovereigns and Crowns.

You can see why my main collecting interest is pre 1967 UK coinage? Arguably the finest coinage ever produced.
Non illegitimis carborundum est.  Excellent advice for all coins.
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Απόσπασμα: pnightingaleBenedetto Pistrucci deserves to be counted among the best engravers purely on the merits of the Saint George & Dragon used on UK Sovereigns and Crowns.

You can see why my main collecting interest is pre 1967 UK coinage? Arguably the finest coinage ever produced.
Once again, brother, I have to agree with you on both points! It's either a case of "great minds think alike" or possibly "fools fail to differ" :O
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Απόσπασμα: pnightingaleBenedetto Pistrucci deserves to be counted among the best engravers purely on the merits of the Saint George & Dragon used on UK Sovereigns and Crowns.
You said it. Benedetto Pistrucci designed a very masculine coin just 200 years ago.
Kenny

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Απόσπασμα: SmartOneKgYou're probably familiar with the names Arnold Machin, Raphael David Maklouf, and Ian Rank-Broadley.

Those were some of the engravers of Elizabeth's portrait. Aside from designing Elizabeth's portraits, what they all have in common is their talent. I'm sure there are just a handful of people who can engrave portraits that well on such a small scale.

George Edward Kruger Gray should sound like a familiar name as well. His initials KG (yes I know, so are my initials) are found on the reverses of many British coins, even today in countries like Canada. If you take a look at the reverse of a Canadian penny, you'll find his initials under the maple leaf. Although not his best design, the detail put into some of his coins, namely 1/2 crown designs such as this New Zealand piece, this design for South Africa (and the smaller denominations too), and Britain's main design are, put together, really impressive.

I find that George Edward Kruger Gray, with his many designs, make him the best engraver.
Yes GEKG was a great engraver , however I think that Norman Sillman should also be in the list of great designers / engravers , and Lucien Bazor , Michael Rizzello  and a few more
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Don't forget Oscar Roty, the engraver of "the sower". Those are some of the most beautiful affordable coin ever made, especially the silver 5 Franc coin.

As they say: "To the power and glory of France!"  :D
Απόσπασμα: dptashnyDon't forget Oscar Roty, the engraver of "the sower". Those are some of the most beautiful affordable coin ever made, especially the silver 5 Franc coin.

As they say: "To the power and glory of France!"  :D
Yes!

I can't understand why these are not more popular with collectors.
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Απόσπασμα: pnightingaleI can't understand why these are not more popular with collectors.
Cause they're uber cheap!
Kenny

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I would suggest the Italian engraver Giusepe Romagnoli, he did many very nice coins, for Italian Kingdom, Empire and even many of Italian occupied countries, all the Albanian coins from 1925 to 1941 were his creations as well and I think also some from Somalia and Eritrea. He also did many pieces of Italian Republic also which were in use until the adoption of Euro!

Who is not familiar with his creations can make an advanced search on Numista.
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I always thought Daniel Carr images were great, and I know his coins are very pricey and tend to sell instantly and are very sought-after, plus I've noticed over the past years they sky rocket from original price - but they're hard to get a hold of. Does anyone have any? I wonder.
Απόσπασμα: lidianbI would suggest the Italian engraver Giusepe Romagnoli...
I agree!

His art-deco coin designs are very intriguing. He didn't make as many engravings as Kruger Gray but they are really nice yet simple designs.
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Απόσπασμα: SmartOneKgKruger Gray
KG is da bauwss

:D
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Wow... no mention of Augustus Saint-Gaudens yet:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_Saint-Gaudens
Απόσπασμα: CeruleanWow... no mention of Augustus Saint-Gaudens yet:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_Saint-Gaudens
:love:  :)
james
Shur what else would you expect from a Dubliner! :O
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One hit wonder!

I have to admit the Saint-Gaudens gold piece is a real beauty and it's probably unique in being known and commonly referred to by the designer's name.

However I can't love Saint-Gaudens because of his taste for glorifying the mass murderer and war criminal W.T. Sherman.

Deo Vindice,

Phil
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He also created the memorial to Charles Stewart Parnell, an advocate of non-violent resistance, which is at the top of O'Connell Street, Dublin. :)
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Απόσπασμα: pnightingaleOne hit wonder!

I have to admit the Saint-Gaudens gold piece is a real beauty and it's probably unique in being known and commonly referred to by the designer's name.

However I can't love Saint-Gaudens because of his taste for glorifying the mass murderer and war criminal W.T. Sherman.

Deo Vindice,

Phil
sir phil how can you not like this great man ???
james
Its not an area of history I know much about but I think it could have something to do with the use of scorched earth tactics?
Yeah, Sherman's "March to the Sea" was strategically worthy of Napoleon but while Meade and Grant were fighting the CSA army far to the North (and losing) Sherman waged war on rebel chickens, cows, pigs, women and children. The only opposition he faced were militia, old men and boys trying to defend their homes. They were slaughtered and prisoners of war shot frequently. It was intended to demoralise R E Lee's army and increase desertion.

It was effective but it was dishonorable.

The Civil War is still referred to as The War of Northern Aggression in the South.
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Απόσπασμα: ZacUKMy vote goes to Louis-Oscar Roty (designer of the French coins with La Semeuse on).

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic9230.html#p62134

See my replies on there -
 Posted: 12-Aug-2012, 08:09PM
 Posted: 13-Aug-2012, 07:10PM

   or other French engravers - Morlon or Pillet or Dubois (see below for one medal from each) ...

Wow!!! These are brilliant! Thanks for sharing.
Gino Vincent Pavan
Gosh, thanks ! Lots of other I own are in the link below all my posts on here.
I have not bought any for ages, but I don't think I have them all that I want. Most I see I already have - there are some beauties around, but they are too expensive. The only one I bought all this year so far, is called Le Nid, or 'The Nest' by Daniel-Dupuis.
It was made in 1899 - the last year of his life (see second link below) and I just had to get one ...




The girl on the left is looking at two baby birds in a nest in a tree, and on the reverse a cherub is feeding a small bird perched on his finger. A companion piece to it is 'La Source' (The Spring).
So in my opinion he was also one of the world's best engravers. A few other people also think so which is why I paid rather a lot for it. There is also a silver version. Some information ...

http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O185980/le-nid-the-nest-plaquette-daniel-dupuis-jean/

http://www.mcssl.com/store/8596432/catalog/product/459a9952bdc74ab89a43e6f5248e16cd

He also designed coins > https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1120.html
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I might have a few of his medals and actually dont want to keep them, probably mine are more common ones. Unfortunately I dont have them with me and I could only post pics on December if I dont forget by then.
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William Wyon and William Dyce.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4840.html
Απόσπασμα: pnightingaleI have to admit the Saint-Gaudens gold piece is a real beauty and it's probably unique in being known and commonly referred to by the designer's name.
What about the Barbers?
It isn't exactly in the same vein, nor is the engraver known, but Wang Mang, the usurper of the Han throne, had an extremely beautiful script in his reformed coinage. It is known in Chinese as 懸針篆, or suspended needles seal script. You can imagine the words made from long, suspended and slender needles. I don't expect non Chinese script readers to truly understand the beauty of the script, but here goes.

http://ktimg402.artxun.com/pictures/54e8b46da9086456eb3c5544713a5d98/99074a4d45d4cb6546c3c504f3782f2a/BHSlQuNTc5MjIzMzE1MDUxMDEzMD8yMiE1XzRzb2dvL2c3NzQ5NDVfcmRvc3cvNz83aF9ncChvc2RfbG9vcyxlaW9mYSF0ZG8vbSNvLmVueHJ0YXAub3NoL3ovcDR0aH/old

http://pic.wenwen.soso.com/p/20111002/20111002213627-936160749.jpg
Denn alles Fleisch, es ist wie Gras

fliegendehollander I don't expect non Chinese script readers to truly understand the beauty of the script, but here goes.
 

Yeah, No!

Moneta

Some great choices. I really like Kruger Grey who designed the first NZ coins, South Africa's 1923 coins and Canadian, Australian and British designs. My favourite of his

 

 

 

Another favourite of mine is George William De Saulles who gave us these 2 masterpieces

 

  

 

Thomas Brock for these

 

Adolph Weinman

 

 

John Croker

 

Unknown designer for this very lifelike and detailed portrait of James 1 (1604ish)

 

 

Benedetto Pistrucci obviously

 

 

 

Jean Baptiste Merlen (I think its him or possibly an early Wyon like William

 

 

Thats all for now, but all of these designs are true masterpieces!

 

As you can see, I care little for most post 1930s designs.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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